Al Krow

Ah ok - I think I maybe know what is going on then: I used quite different settings (I think attack and decay, in particular) for up and down sweep to get the best "squelch". So if you have it on a really tasty setting for up-sweep, simply flicking the switch to down-sweep is going to sound like it's doing very little and vice versa. Sensitivity and hi and lo range settings will also make a difference and I'm pretty sure that I had mine dialled to mostly "wet". Annoyingly I had a cull of some old pedal pics a couple of weeks back, otherwise I could have shared my fav up and down sweep settings on the GR2 with you.

The DG AO is an excellent amp, but paired with a BB2 lacks the warmth that my Mesa M6 delivers. Guess I'm on a quest for "bottled Mesa M6" in a lightweight amp, very probably hybrid. I've been told by folk in the know that the Berg BIAmp could be the ticket and I'm looking forward to A/Bing one post lockdown.

I've dug out a couple of clips, both recorded without fuzz with the GR2 First by itself and second with OC2 added. How close is that to what you are getting? Filter 9 - 3Leaf GR2.mp3 Filter 14 - GR2 + OC2 (Ian).wav

But tbf you could easily to do the same with a drive pedal of your choice and potentially even quicker i.e. no adjustments on the amp and just engage the pedal. With an amp with built in drive / grit there's always the risk that it doesn't deliver exactly what you're always after in terms of grit (certainly can be true for the DG M900 series) but seems to me that OBT does as well as most, and you still always have the pedal option to bring to the party.

Very useful and at [0.55] he notes that "Ade Emsley, head designer, put the preamp of the AD200 into the Mk2". Have they changed the EQ settings so we now have both boost and cut? Our own Dan Veall at [7.45] is suggesting that flat is at noon with the Mk2, which is quite different to comments about the Mk1. Orange Terror Bass | Review - YouTube

I'm slightly bemused that the manuals are silent on what the EQ centre frequencies for the bass, mid and treble are, unless I've missed them somewhere?

Interesting one - the D800 has had a fair few comments about being "dark" and the D800+ a step up. The new Mesa range also seems to be getting a fair bit of love. In contrast, the Mesa M6 is the best amp I've had, bar none, but it's 25 lbs and am still looking for a portable hybrid that might deliver some similar valvey goodness - OBT2 does sound promising along with the new GK FusionS series.

I'm guessing you gents both had the Mesa D800, rather than the D800+?

If you're going to crash out, then you may as well do it in style, which you've clearly done - congrats!

That's seriously "unhelpful" from a GAS perspective 😁 What's the rest of your rig / signal chain with the Terror Mk2 and does it leave you with plenty of headroom with your band or are you finding you are needing to crank it up? Any clips of you using it live would be a bonus!

Interesting. Does sound like they've upped their game with the Gen 2 OTBs and these could definitely be worth a look. I guess that rules out the 1000W OTB Gen 1 for me then. But 500W at 4 ohm = around 300W at 8 ohm [(?) given that it's not precisely linear] should hopefully be just enough head room - I do value the headroom I currently have on tap with my DG M900 A&O, not least in not having to push the amp too hard whilst keeping pace with a 5 piece rock band.

What a fantastic little collection! Wall of shame on the OP updated At this rate, it's gonna be a brave man betting against you or @marleaux62 being the next of our happy crew to have a BB2000 or BB2000A in their collection! Not currently aware of any of us having one, although I suspect a few may have passed through our hands over the decades?

That's very helpful thanks Woody, but is that only in passive mode? Info from BD's website (which may or may not be entirely correct): The GLOCKENKLANG 3-band onboard preamp is active/passive switchable (at the volume push/pull), has a balance-pot with no volume dip in centre-position, a treble-pot with +/- 18 dB@18 KHz in active mode, acting as classical high cut in passive mode, mid-pot +/- 9 dB@550 Hz and a bass-pot with +/- 14 dB@40 Hz. Battery-connection is 9 volts. If it's also the case in active mode then, agreed that's a game changing proposition. Otherwise it would suggest that it's centred at 18kHz in active mode? PS I presume you also meant +/- 12dB etc (i.e. not just +)?

Excellent! Really interested to know how this all turns out and it would be marvellous if we have managed to find a successful work around that allows you to keep your P34, given what a good bass it is.

Cheers Luke - nope not yet, was thinking about it the context of the souping-up the electronics on a HB which we've been discussing on a separate thread. What are you hearing when you dial the treble up / down and which bass do you / did you have it on? I have to agree that 40 Hz is lower than ideal for the bass for me also; 55Hz to 70Hz on the TonePump seems to hit the mark really well. I've not managed to find details of the Yammy EQ frequencies anywhere on their passive and active preamps - would love to know. But the tone control on the passive BB 1025 in dialling off the treble to give you that "Motown" sound is excellent.

That's an interesting point about the Glock. But 6.5kHz seems much more "sensible" to me and is what is also in the Aguilar OBP-3 and Spector TonePump - and if you're having to choose between rounding off the highs at 18 kHz and and a "usable treble" at 6.5kHz personally I would go for the 6.5 kHz every time.

Is the Delano you're getting a 3 band EQ and what are the EQ centre points? I was a bit shocked to find that the Glock 3 band has a treble EQ centred at 18kHz, which is outside most adults hearing range so pretty much pointless!

Lol - I've got better things to do than to pick a fight with you about a DG amp you're not ever likely to own. Maybe someone else will humour you with a "proper response" (whilst hopefully not derailing the OP's thread too much). Enjoy your evening.

I've gone in the opposite direction Pete - started with Warwick and ended up with Spector Euro. Were the ones you played pre-2008 Euros by any chance? If so, I think the ability to dial back the TonePump preamp post 2008 could be significant factor in why they are now so very good (IMO). Mine is a 2015 vintage.

Can you unpack that for us a bit? I'm really interested to know in what way you're finding the NS2 to be significantly better, not least given that I really rate the Euro 5LX. That is a super helpful steer and cuts to the chase brilliantly, thank you.

@lancer - actually I wasn't on here to defend DG amps (even if I'm on my second one now and have never used it for metal!) but, like you, I'm quite interested in finding out a bit more about OTBs. There's a TB1000 in the FS that I've had my eye on and they don't seem to come up that often, but I've yet to try one out "in the flesh". Having said that I'm a bit of a sucker for hybrid tube pre & SS power amps for their combination of warmth and portability, which the OTB provides. I came across this review recently which immediately got my attention with the opening P bass + TB tone, which sounded pretty good to me!

I'd leave it at that and move on 😉

Interested if you are saying that as someone who has or previously had one? The DG amps do offer a classic DG drive at the front end which you can engage full on "for metal", as it were, or just a bit of dirt to add a bit grit to your tone, or not have any dirt at all! It does an excellent clean with a quality 6 band EQ and all the headroom you are likely to need in the 900 series 2. And several of us are using DG amps across a variety of genres.