Al Krow

Yes indeedy, I've had my share of SA pedals over the years including a current "one series" pedal which shares exactly the same UI as the C4. So feel free to substitute "AS" for "C4" in my earlier post - I guess I was mentioning the C4 because that is the one I would buy next in a heartbeat if it had a better UI, which is the point being discussed. I totally agree your point that you would need a separate midi pedal to have any idea which patch you are using on it. When you have to fork out £250 (new) for a pedal like the C4, the fact that you even need to do that is just plain rude! IMO the UI on a £65 Zoom B1-4 leaves the SA UI in the dust. You don't need separate midi or a phone or a PC to edit and store up to 50 effects patches and you know exactly which patch you're using and it's a doddle to scroll through them. Be interesting to see whether SA agree with my PoV on this and end up bringing out an updated set of pedals with numeric displays later this year 😉 Until then I'll be avoiding SA pedals, just my PoV...

Hah - that was also my earlier question! Great minds / fools / take your pick 😁

There is so much value in getting the UI right! I think we've all agreed about how shocking the Alesis SR models were in that regard. It's something that Zoom have got very right with their budget multis like the B1-4 and which put significantly more expensive pedals to shame e.g. something like the SA C4 where the tech looks just great but where you have no decent ability to edit without recourse to a PC. Anyway I'm avoiding SA pedals until they can be ars*ed to provide some form numeric display, at a minimum, to at least let me know which of the 128 patches I'm on!

Ah that makes much better sense now! Actually that's a really interesting point. I think you mentioned that your 424 sounded much more "alive" than your TRBX, hmmm...seems there may be a bit pattern then if the 735A is using the same preamp?

I've kinda wondered whether I should have kept my 735A and just swapped the preamp with a John East 3 band. But I guess I already have several really good active basses and suspect I may still have picked up my 1025 at every opportunity!

Hah! I'm now confused, if you have had the 1025X and have a 735A you should have a pretty good idea how they compare already?

I personally preferred my purely passive 1025 over the two active/passive 735As I've had. I think I boiled that down to not being blown away by the preamp in the 735A, whereas I love the 1025 passive tone. Just my two cents worth.

Maybe putting it a little strongly given the sum total of my Boss kit is just one pedal, bought 18 months ago...on that basis pretty much every BCer is on some form of gear discovery 😂

Well we definitely need a pic of your board and bag in action! 😎

And then what about the gig bag for the board?

A 1024 (or 1024x with scratchplate and added chrome) would be the obvious choice for me, but as you will gather from very contented 414 and 424 (which is the same thing as the 414, but with a laminate neck and body through stringing) owners on here, not all folk agree with me (or Yamaha) that a 1024 is a step up 😄 If you want to go seriously posh then you are into P34 or 2024 territory. PS I've added you to the "wall of shame" of BB bass owners on the OP

Well first dibs on whichever you let go of then please 😁 I get what you're saying about gear though - been through a similar journey with my pedal collection in 2020. I moved on a shed load of pedals (15?) and have now got a little board with "just" 7 units on (tbf including a budget multifx), but which are getting used to something like their potential now and I couldn't be happier. Not missing the stuff I never got around to using, one bit!

Any obvious significant +/- to either of them in comparison to the other?

You gents just don't realise how cathartic it is to be hearing that the pain threshold I experienced in trying to program my SR-18 wasn't unique! Although we're completely agreed on this point, if someone did ask us what a drum machine is - a fair response might be "a box with a programmable computer chip inside"... It's key redeeming feature is that it doesn't look or feel like our laptops! 😁

Lol! I've now got drum machine GAS for a replacement TR-8S, once I've got up to speed on the basics on my RD-8. Ah well, at least a decent incentive eh? Drum machine GAS, is that even a thing? 😁

Exactly this! I thought I was being a bit Neanderthal in thinking this, but apparently not

All good points. But you're looking at more than double the price of Behringer RD-8 by the time you get into Roland TR-8S territory.

Good shout, but if @Beedster is looking for something relatively simple wondering if the TR-6S might be a good option?

Completely agree with the above comments about the Alesis SR16 / 18 models being atrocious to program!! So whatever you get you're likely to find life easier on that score. See my short review (Feb 7th 2020) above of the RD-8 and this is indeed a Roland TR 808 clone.

@Beedster - what do you think of Behringer RD-8 that a couple of us have picked up on this thread? I previously had the SR-18 and can vouch for the fact that the RD-8 is a step up from that in terms of ease of programming your own drum lines - just based on my initial getting to grips with it. It's on my 2021 "to do" to be spending a bit more time with it, but I've found my little Zoom B1-4 actually has a pretty decent set of presets for practising along at home to which has kinda taken away a bit of the incentive on the RD-8 front! Worth noting that the RD-8 is a fair bit bigger than the SR-18.

Picking up a 5 string bass has easily been the best bass thing that's happened to me since, well, err...first picking up a 4 string bass 😁

Ah yes...very poorly compared to NZ. In fact most European nations are doing abysmally compared to NZ. So the better question is surely this - is the NZ solution one that Europe can easily and readily apply, given its geography and population size as compared to NZ?

Not even close to a NZ solution though is it and lasted a few days. How is France doing compared to NZ?

I don't think any European state (let alone ones that have 10x the population of NZ) has come close to applying a NZ solution. Please correct me if I am wrong and name them? Seriously if it was / is that easy to do why isn't it being done right now by the UK or the EU? How long has NZ put the rest of the world in quarantine? What is the longest any European nation has done the same? Tbh you wouldn't get any objections from me to putting the rest of the planet in quarantine, if it were feasible and worked. - Not sure how any air-travel abroad can currently really be described as "essential" other than to be returning to / from home countries on a long term basis. - But you then have the issue of trade and road hauliers etc.

£20 for the Mod 3?!! I thought it was usually nearer £70 - no wonder you snapped that up! Tres3.1 board and softcase currently £80 inc P&P which is pretty much exactly the same as the PT Classic Jr.