Al Krow

Please refer to @dave_bass5's post above. He summarises the subject very well. It's where the truly wise eventually end up. Either that or playing short scale basses. Sometimes both. Obviously the Zen Master level BCer will dispense with the mundaneness of normal bass rigs and flourish with FRFR.

Perhaps we could compromise by saying it wasn't going to scale any great heights?

I don't want to come across as being short with you about this, but may I politely suggest that whilst you would be generally correct, you aren't here in the context of Snow White and her 7 trusty axe men? Or perhaps more appropriately put as "Ms Snow-also-colour-ly-challenged"?

It deserved to be a short thread. I couldn't ever see it reaching any great heights. Btw - please use the term colour-ly challenged in relation to our humour, going forward.

If you're including 210s and 212s in the mix, then there's Vanderkley 210s and Berg CN212s to include in the mix. (Sorry 😁). Blooming good pieces of kit! If you could get yourself to Bass Gallery in Camden they usually have a great selection in store. Q for the TC boys - I'm assuming that the RS cabs are a step up from the their speakers in the BG combos?

One of the very best cabs I've had the privilege to own and play and certainly right up there in the top bracket of 112s. On for a very good price too! - I'm tempted to get it to pair with my existing F112, but I really can't justify it.

Yeah agreed - there are a couple of octaver-up threads where it would sit better on. Feel free to move them to there if you think better suited. I'll see if I can post a link to one below. Here you go - this even has @AJ567's Sub'n'Up toneprint - so is exactly the right place to port the Mosaic and Sub'n'Up related comments to (the discussion started with BB's comment on Sept 27th about 8 string basses and extends to the next couple of pages on this thread). I guess the connection is that a USP of the OC5 over other OC2 clones is its ability to provide octave up.

I've had a listen to the 3 clips you've posted of 8 string basses and they're all fine - nothing I particularly dislike about any of them! So if your Sub'n'Up clips come close, that works for me. You don't need to do a side by side comparison as such - particularly if you don't have an 8 string! Just record a clip of the Sub'n'Up in octave-up mode in your favourite tweaked setting. Hopefully not too difficult.

I'm just looking forward to hearing your (or any one's!) SnU octave up clips on bass. Load 'em up when you can 😊

Tongue in cheek, my friend. It's what we Brits do! You'll get used to it...well after a few decades, haha! The clue was in the smiley face 😉 But I'm less interested in hearing clips of 8 string basses, that doesn't tell me anything really. Much more interested in hearing the SnU being validated with my own ears. A sound clip is worth a thousand words! Really quick and easy to do if you have a looper pedal? Besides it was your suggestion to share clips in the first place wasn't it, if you scroll back?

Do you have any clips of your fav tweaked SnU octave up? I've shared one for the Digitech Mosaic. If the SnU is comparably good, I'll happily invest in one, but so far Mr @Baloney Balderdash has only come up with dare I say...baloney, with no dash of evidence to back up his claims! 😁

Thing is, a decent 112 that delivers the quality you're after is not necessarily going to be that cheap, and I'm not sure that there is going to be much in it between what a decent 112 puts out and what a 210 can deliver, volume wise. Must admit my steer would be to recommend sticking with the TCRS210C you have, particularly if you like it, as I suspect you may be disappointed with some of the more budget 112s in comparison. If you're looking at fat a*rse lows & crisp sizzling highs in a 112 you're going to be in Barefaced BB2 territory IMO. One in the FS for £600 and, yes, I'd be very happy to recommend it, but we're still not "budget" by any means! Having said that, I'm a massive believer in getting the very best cab you can afford, so I'm not being particularly helpful! The FRFR (aka PA speaker cab) crew may be along shortly with some recommendations which might provide a better combination of quality and price - although FRFR kit is not specifically tuned for bass guitar in the way that bass cabs are, and typically you would want an active FRFR speaker, which is effectively a combo.

But here's the thing - do you actually want more sustain when playing a P pup? Or do you end up with a dog's dinner on your NT table?

BF make excellent cabs, but I'd put them into the "high-end" rather than "budget" category, which is what I think the OP is looking for?

Late to the party and just come across these - but they do look good! 2.3ms latency is a 1/3 of the 8ms latency on my Smoothound and not a big difference in price between them. Any update from users on their experience with these? I saw there is a pedal board version - but not sure why you would bother with that rather than simply plugging in the receiver to your first pedal - just seems to take up unnecessary real estate? Also wondering what the WL-60 does "better" for the extra money and size?

Don't knock Halfords - they make some great gear. And their share price has gone through the roof since the start of lockdown

With NS on this one.

Would all the self confessed SAs on this thread please stand up and be counted? Oh sorry, my bad, you already are...

Yeah the OC5 does look really good! Just waiting for BB to validate his high regard for the SnU (the compact form factor of the mini is very appealing) with some decent clips...

@Baloney Balderdash picking up on your earlier post: "Actually my "fake 8 string bass" setup sounds really close, almost spot on, to the short bit with the demonstration of both pickups in humbucker mode...And I think I am able to approximate that pretty closely with my Sub'N'Up. I'll record some clips when I get myself pulled together to do so, might take a few days though before I get it done." I'm actually quite tempted to get a Sub'n'Up Mini based on your comments. Several BC'ers have, however, described the Sub'n'Up as being quite "tinny" on octave up and my own recollection is that it had a bit of latency when I tried it out on factory settings in the store. But if you've cracked it, then it would definitely be worth another look for me and an incentive to investing time in the TonePrint editor in the knowledge that it can actually deliver, as the ability to provide both oct down and up simultaneously in such a small form factor and at a relatively good price, compared to many other octavers, is very appealing. So, I'm definitely looking forward to your clips! 😊

Understood - but I'm guessing that doesn't come cheaply i.e. it's going to be more than 2p? 😁

Useful thread! From comments I've seen on here and elsewhere, would it be fair to summarise as follows: Short scales - can be easier to play, but lower string tension across the length of the neck means, in general, a more "rubbery" / "dark" / less harmonically rich tone than standard 34" or longer scale basses?