Al Krow

I can see that this "I've got a bigger pedal board than I need club" is rapidly filling up! 😂 (even if the boards aren't).

Tbf I've just been on a similar downsize to you (which is why I know about both clubs 😁). I've currently got a Helix HFX as one of my "boards", just as a standalone pedal, and a Metro 24 and a PT2 currently both lying completely empty and in storage for that day I return to big set ups again...

So, does that make you half board full or half board empty sort of person?

Two clubs in fact!...the "Helix owners club" AND the "I've got a bigger pedal board than I need club" 😁

Actually I've just spotted that I attached a May 2019 list of effects which I downloaded from when I bought my B1(X)-4 - I've since replaced it with a B1-4 as I wanted the extra space on my board and I wasn't making much use of the built in expression / volume pedal. So there may be an updated effects list knocking about...

Here you go... (I'll also pin to the OP for ease of reference) Zoom B1(X)-4 effects.pdf

Is she on BC? If so, I could delete my post for a small fee...😂

Yeah that's a neat midi unit. Agreed vgc used is the way to go if you can. Are you using your DMC midi for other pedals also? As you spotted, the new price comparison is quite revealing though: B1-4 = £59 plus p&p MS-60B + DMC midi = £200 And the B1-4 still does a lot more than the MS-60B & midi combo. Right, I'll shut up now!

Didn't realise that the MS-60B was midi enabled. Learn something new every day! But if you're going down the midi switcher route to deal with the scrolling limitations of the MS-60B, would it not just make more sense to get a B1-4, as you've now also lost the space advantage of the MS-60B and are starting to be well up on cost? I guess it would be less of an issue if you're already using midi with some of your other pedals.

That's very fair about the the B1-4 vs MS-60B. For me: Advs of B1-4 significantly easier to use interface. The MS-60B used to do my head in before the advent of patch editing software; but the ToneLib PC editing software is free, easy to use and makes creating and editing patches a doddle on all Zoom pedals and has levelled the playing field on that score. live use: global EQ and volume knobs (vs in patch only on MS-60B) live use: ability to scroll up and down through 5 banks of 10 patches (vs 26 in one direction only, I recall, on the MS-60B) live use: two decent flappy paddles (vs 1 stomp switch on the MS-60B) live use: useful 3 light led tuner: great for dark stages / venues latest chip set, same as the B3N => up to 5 effects per patch (vs 4 on the MS-60B); and you can set to use a patch as a bank of 5 individual effects which is very neat capable headphone amp with aux in excellent and easy to access drum machine for home practice (IMO the looper is pretty meh) cheaper - which can be a bit of a surprise (see @Jakester's post below 😁 ) given how much extra it offers! Advs of the MS-60B half the footprint greater range of effects patches bomb proof metal case I've had three MS-60Bs come and go over the years. But for me the B1-4 is without doubt the better and much more usable piece of kit, and is happily sitting at the heart of my small pedal board now.

+2 for the Thomann PSUs. This tiny thing... Is very comfortably and noiselessly powering all of these and with headroom to spare!

The Zoom multis I love but lack the chip processing muscle to handle pitch shifting well and with minimal latency. The Boss PS6 harmonist is flexible and warmer than the EHX but also suffers latency issues (there you go @Stub Mandrel, proof if you needed it that I'm not on Boss's payroll despite my continued effusiveness for the SY-1's unparalleled polyphonic tracking!) EHX Pitchfork - tinny as we we've discussed. Helix - very capable but price / size. I think that just leaves the Digitech Drop of the ones I'm aware of. I've never had one (I still have or previously have had all the others I've mentioned above). But, given the positive experience I've had with their Mosaic and other BC'ers with the Ricochet, it could well be just the ticket for you.

Not you at all. It is very "tinny". I've settled on Digitech Mosaic for octave up (others really like the more featured Ricochet but I've not tried that). Helix Stomp / HFX etc does the broader pitch shift very well and obviously a lot more, but not cheap kit.

But if you refer to your clients as "ladys" could you really describe yourself as "high class"?

Bad originals bands might make a comeback. No one is going to get up to dance for them, right? Could be their moment.

Oh I missed, that. Ok I need to edit the thread and my OP! 😎

Less depressing than I initially thought... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8780631/Pubs-bars-restaurants-blame-3-coronavirus-outbreaks-week.html

Except...you've just eloquently managed to join in the fun without actually doing so! Can't keep a good man down, eh? 😁 And you've now made me wonder what a Jamerson bass line without his trademark thud, or whether Entwistle's signature sound on My Generation would have been quite so iconic?

What you have heard for yourself, now, is just how bloody amazing the speed, accuracy and glitch-less depth of tracking on the Boss SY-1 octave down is! Goes lower than my Fearless F112 cab could comfortable handle, and that's saying something! We could hear the speaker 'flapping' as it tried to cope with notes an octave below E and lower! Oh and thanks for the personal delivery of the Ashdown headphones - they're ridiculously cool in their own way!

Heard another tale of Stomp build quality issues recently with a report of one dying mid live set. Previous mentions of over heating and in my case a flaky USB connection. Just doesn't seem to have the gig-build that something like the HFX has, with its more tank like housing which seems capable of handling our size 12s. Helix SL rather than Stomp perhaps a better name for this product?

As per your suggestion, I'd still be very interested to hear a clip from you with your TC Sub'N'Up on octave-up with your settings, to see if it matches the Digitech Mosaic; which I hope you'll agree is really very good once you've had a listen to the clips posted above?

Refreshing to see Sergeant Pepper's, as totally iconic and ground breaking as it was, knocked off the top spot for once. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-albums-of-all-time-1062063/ Any obvious omissions?

Here you go - my Digitech Mosaic recordings at the start of this thread: Look forward to hearing the TC Sub'N'Up.

Yes that is almost certainly correct! Fyi - I have only tried the Mosaic not the Ricochet. It is possible they are using different engines - I had assumed that they were the same octave up circuit. The Ricochet does a lot more than the Mosaic, which is a one trick pony. It just does that trick remarkably well! I posted a couple of clips a while back, one of the Mosaic and one of an actual 8 string. A lot of BCers thought the Mosaic did a very decent job and some even thought the Mosaic was the 8 string!

Agree about the compressors or other effects. Keep it simple! However if this avoids the need of having a separate isolated PSU for the rest of your pedals, given it is already mains powered that would be a big plus in my books - one mains lead per pedal board rather than two has gotta be welcome!