Al Krow

Given that it's been part of the Fender stable of brands for the best part of two decades does it have a reputation for being any more or less reliable / build quality than Fender basses?

Is that Italian or Indonesian spaghetti?

Well, I can only speak for myself but there was something about the tonal richness and weight balance of my P35 that meant that I found myself not wanting to pick up my 735A any longer. Likely to be all relatively subtle and hard to put my finger on it. Agree that for me, personally, it wouldn't justify the difference in new prices, but buying used the price differential narrowed.

Sounds to me like it's worth every penny then... Hey PB - welcome to BC! FWIW I got the P35 and that was a big reason for me moving on my 735A. But Dave's final point is true, the rest of the range is really good and a LOT of bass for the money and I'm struggling to justify having both my P35 and a BB 1025 which I love using live (but I think I've managed to find a ruse to keeping both )

Interesting you say that - I think it's definitely more noticeable through headphones than a speaker. But not sure how relevant the more easily heard 'double beat' is to bass in that you won't get a double note but rather a delayed note and, as others have mentioned, surely that can be addressed by just hitting the string a fraction of a second earlier and you would be sub-consciously doing that in real time anyway? But with my lot using an analogue ZED FX mixer and going through to PA / not using IEMs, this just has never been an issue on any gig to date (or certainly not one anyone has ever mentioned).

Ooooh, please do fess up! I've recently had my head turned by the new Jackson signature line which seems to be Fender drawing reverse inspiration from Yammy for once - says something about the quality of Yammys! Yammy headstock, PJ config and 3 band EQ. And pricing puts it head to head with the Yammy BB 735A. The Jackson has reverse P set up, a 35" scale and easy access truss rod adjustment, but is active only. The Yammy is 34" and has (much liked) passive as well as active. Yammy's pups are great, as we know, but I'm hoping that the active EMGs on the Jackson will, in Spector fashion, have quite a kick. And the Jackson does come in a tasty white...

Oh wow down to a 1/4 Trav!! We're going to need a new yardstick...😂 I'm sooo in two minds about moving my P35 mine on (a great bass, but on the other hand my 1025 is more than good enough / still brings a grin to my face when I play...), hence the question about stringing one with flats. I suspect that flats are going to open up a whole new dimension to the P35 and give a completely different feel to the 1025. And having made the schoolboy error of not selling my old 5 bass rack when I upgraded to a 7 bass rack, there is "unfortunately" still accessible storage capacity in the Krow bass-ment!

Cheers John, yup that was 'floppy' character was commented on as a feature of the TI Flats. Grateful if I could ask for the gauge of your Dunlops and where you are buying yours from, please? If anyone has one of these it's likely to be the Mr BB himself @AndyTravis

Thanks very much agedhorse and I, for one, wasn't aware of that. Are you able to provide a high level of summary of how the voicing differs (or simply point me to the relevant bit of thread on TB, if easier)?

Guys - those of that have strung your BBs with flats (particularly 5ers), what brands are you using. I've had a strong recommendation to try out TI flats, but would be interested in what else folk are liking a lot and work well with the BB PJ set up?

Ridiculous defeatism. Get a bigger house.

This is interesting through headphones. I can see why 10 ms latency could potentially be an issue for IEM. However when playing live don't we simply adjust our technique and play things a fraction of a second (thousandths to be precise) "ahead" so that we are in time?

Fair - I don't use IEMs but conceptually that makes sense.

Ok I've just re-read this thread from start to finish (hence my random posts and comments above during the course of today! 😀) What surprised me is that not one of us BC bass synth pedal lovers suggested / recommended the Digitech Dirty Robot It's in the same budget price bracket as the EHX Bass Mono Synth and like the EHX (and HX Stomp) would seem to be a digital synth 'emulation' pedal rather than having actual synth oscillators (e.g. in the way that the FI does). But for the money it does look to be good and has a good reputation, from comments on the net, for both tracking and for providing a couple of gigable sounds. The Dirty Robot has been out since 2016 (same year as the FI) - anyone had / got one?

If you're after a compact poly synth capability with great tracking then check out the Boss SY-1. I've sold my FI to make way for this on my board. Yup.

Folk who worry about 8ms latency clearly have too much time on their hands 😉

Just had a very anodyne response from Fender (who acquired the Jackson brand along with its 2002 purchase of Charvel) along the lines of "not saying 'cos weights vary"... Can't believe I'm potentially heading back to a Fender bass, if I end up getting one of these 😁 But I need to wait for the weight.

We've just been asked to play a follow up gig at Wembley Box Park on the 17th Dave, so if you and the missus want to come over to that, I'll make sure to give the F112 a spin then. If it ends up being as good as I think it will be, I may struggle to justify holding onto my BF SC! 😎

Comment above was in relation to the SY-300, which I'm pretty sure is polyphonic?

Ahhh if only... 🙄

A little bit of synth history (well my sawtooth take it on it anyway ) ... Started delving into this side topic when finding myself surprised that retailers can still price the 2004 released Boss SYB-5 for between £120 and £150 new, when the vastly more capable new SY-1 model is about to hit the shelves at £175. It's predecessor, the SYB-3, was released in 1996. I'm a little tempted to pick up a SYB-5 (used of course!) just to compare how the tech has improved in the intervening 11 years. Yup that's not me being bad at sums - but based on the assumption that the SY-1 is a repackaged and cut down version of the polyphonic SY-300 which came out in Autumn 2015 as a belated response to the much admired 2011 Roland GR 55. Moving into more recent times, the Panda Future Impact came out hard on the heels of the Boss SY-300 in the summer of 2016, as a successor to the 9 preset Akai Deep Impact. The Akai was released and pulled relatively quickly in the mid 1990s but got itself a bit of a cult following resulting in stratospheric prices which are belatedly coming back down to earth. The FI with its synthesized blocks of oscillators, filters and envelope generators and 99 presets pretty much became top dog until...last month and the July 2019 release of the Source Audio C4. Along the way we have had the initially popular Markbass SuperSynth which was released in 2009 with minor cosmetic changes made in a v2 released in 2015, but was somewhat done for by the arrival of the FI; the quirky 2017 Bananana Matryoshka which we loved but found hard to get many gigable sounds from and two 2018 releases: the Pigtronix Mothership 2 which provided us with a small footprint and attractive form factor analog synth but never really captured the hearts of us bassists; and the 2018 Meris Enzo which seemed to hold a fair bit of promise but requires midi to get the best out of and seems already at risk of being eclipsed by the C4. In hindsight 2015, with the arrival of the Boss SY-300, heralded a new era of development and competition between pedal makers in the synth arena and without doubt now is a great time to be getting into bass synths!

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We weren't being that quiet in the bass-ment last night Dave 😁 Bear in mind that the Mesa M6 is pretty non-linear in its response i.e. it gets loud pretty quickly. We had the gain and master at between 3 and 4 out of 10 and I'd likely not go that much louder with a full band, maybe to typically 5 / 10 (or poss 6 if I was really pushing it). After Sat's gig when the SC was feeling a little bit 'scratchy' at higher volumes in a large venue, the next large venue we do I defo need to give the F112 an outing to see how it compares. My gut instinct is that it will do very well.

That's a very Sad quip, Dave 😂