Al Krow

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And how do you propose to access even the 6 presets mid set as you're changing between songs? There is no ability to scroll through presets using the Stomp button. Yup... you'll need midi.

C4 and Spectrum are pretty much the same pedal (same core engine). If you're not into midi, the C4 (or Spectrum variant) won't be for you, certainly not for live use anyway.

I thought you'd already got rid of your Manta a couple of years' back (to me)? 😁 Are you currently using midi on your pedal board?

If I was on the fence before this seeing this, I'm absolutely not after hearing what it can do! This one is guitar but he's promised a bass review to follow.

Yeah agree with a lot of the points on here. Let's put them into practice...

That is such a good presentation of your clips, Stew! I presume that the settings on the pedals correspond to the ones you used for the recordings?

But would you agree that if you played 3 different basses with 3 different dirt pedals, the dominant / overriding impact on the sound / bass tone would be which particular drive pedal & setting on that pedal you were using, and not which particular bass you were using?

Q from me. HX Stomp doesn't have poly and struggles to match something like the Digitech Mosaic for poly octave up. Wondering whether the SY-1 will be able to get there on this (and means I can finally move on that very capable but one trick pony pedal?!)

Fair. Although I have the ability to do all that on the FI... The SY-1 is poly, £75 cheaper than the C4 and is 'good to go' without needing midi etc. Downside is lack of presets. I think for me it would be FI OR C4, I can't see me needing them both on a live set.

Interesting point Dave. Won't any dirt pedal pretty much overpower the tone of the bass so that you end up with a tone that's dominated by the drive pedal? And then the 'tone' or 'flavour' of the pedal becomes the key driver (excuse my pun) of tone / sound whilst the pedal is engaged?

Ignore me Mr Hunt, I was just being facetious! I guess my experience of selling and buying has been the opposite to what a few folk on this thread have been implying, but that is all I have to go on. I've sold and bought a LOT of bass gear over the the past couple of years, and frankly I can't be positive enough about my fellow BC'ers who have been a pleasure to deal with and hugely trustworthy. But I appreciate that's not what this thread is about, so I'd probably best take my positive slant elsewhere!

The lack of presets is definitely the BIG shortcoming (see my earlier post which you quoted), I agree. But yet another pedal requiring deep menu diving / PC editing and needing to use midi is more off putting for me!

Kinda interesting that SA are finally now rushing to get their C4 out having originally announced quite a while back. But feels like their delay in getting to market may have cost them. It's also interesting that some gigging bassists (including me!) are thinking of opting for the SY-1 over the C4, particularly where they don't already have SA Neurohub and midi, both of which are going to be needed (together with PC editing) to get the most out of the C4. For me the C4 is very much an alternative to the FI which I already have. I might have got a C4 out of curiosity rather than expecting it to displace the FI; but the easy workflow and accessible real time tweakability of the SY-1 is really attractive for live use and the fact that it's 2/3 the price of the C4 is a canny pricing decision on the part of Boss. I've not considered getting a Boss pedal in a long time, other than the LS-2, but Boss seem to have really raised their game and I'm suddenly thinking of getting both their new releases.

Completely agree that if the buyer can't be bothered to read the information in your ad that is definitely frustrating. There's clearly a skill in getting a balance between reproducing the manual in full, in your ad, and keeping your potential buyer interested. Tbf most BC'ers are pretty clued up / already know what they're after and are more interested in condition (a decent pic is always welcome!) and price.

Yup - we know you're no more a fan of the Grizzly than I am of scooped fizzy dirt pedals! 😉 However we do both think Yammy BB1025/Xs are the business! The Spark is getting a LOT of love and does seem worth a try for anyone looking for a dirt - and it's clearly good value.

And the more recent ones aren't too shabby either! 😀

I think it's perfectly legit to ask the seller any Qs you might have as a buyer, stupid or otherwise IF you are genuinely interested and without having to read the entire manual from cover to cover or do 20 hours of research on Google. Of course, no one has time for time-wasters who are not actually interested in buying. You'd hope the seller should already be able to answer Qs about the thing he or she is trying to sell and, as one of the earlier posters said, they can always update their ads to reduce repeat Qs. At the end of the day treat your potential customers with respect, after all it's you who wants their money. Simples.

I'm interested. But is it any good for metal?

Yeah, soz about doing all of that. But you never really did properly explain the point of FRFR to me very well, nor what happened to the whole 510A series and why we now only seem to have 310As and 710As... 😁

Grizzly Bass

Looking forward to doing a shoot out with my Grizzly Bass at some point soon then. That thing doesn't lose ANY low end at all! (But costs 5x the price of the SB - so no question which is the better value pedal!)

Any loss of low end, Dave?