Al Krow

Yes, absolutely, 100% true!

Seems like Lee is in danger of becoming my most regular pedal customer Another super smooth transaction and always a pleasure to deal with. Enjoy the Valeton OC-10 buddy. Bas

I thought the octaver was pretty good, synth less so (2009 tech so getting a bit dated). I've attached some notes I pulled together from the internet plus some responses from a couple of BCer's from when I had one for about a nine months, before I moved it on and replaced it with a Panda FI. Markbass SS notes.pdf

Found it Yeah totally agree: get yourself a decent, bass, amp and cab to help you deliver a great tone (of course, goes without saying that you'll also need to play well!) and you may well not need a comp to make up for 'perceived' deficiencies in your live sound. You'll be able to take the stabilisers off your bike and roam free. (Reaches for tin hat and runs for cover...😁)

+1^^ to all of that. Makes complete sense to me!

Not wanting at all to have it in for you, but did you not post recently on another thread that you had decided to stop using pedal board compressors? If I read that correctly (I may not have!) does that mean you're not bothering with compression in your signal chain at all before your cab, and gonna leave it all for the sound engineers to sort via the DI out? PS loved your 2011 "Compression 101" post btw which was linked to above. Great introduction to the subject! Could do with some more up to date compressor recommendations on there, but I guess that is what this thread is for!

Indeed! 😎

Yup Yammy BBs are typically in the 9.5 lbs to 10.2 lbs range (but what a great bass for the money!) Ibanez on the other hand are not heavy at all and probably have the most playable neck of any bass (certainly that I have come across). They are less well known for their P basses, although their new SR 650 does look pretty tasty (655 shown in pic) and this has the more fulsome Nords (rather than the tamer Barts which usually appear on their 'Standard' range) together with a reverse P pup set up. Add 3 band EQ and adjustable mids and you have a very decent bass indeed. Oh dear, I think you've just helped me identify my next bass! 😂

@dave_bass5 will hopefully be able to jump in and confirm (as he has played a much wider range of P basses than me), the Yammy PJs have a very comfortable neck to play.

Yes I'm a White & Black Tiger man also! Won't be bringing either of the ones shown above. At £5,250 new, they are a little eye watering for me in terms of price. What I wasn't expecting (and shows how much I know) were the MTDs that Mark had in stock at BD which were even more expensive! The quality of finish on the Tiger range is just in a league above anything I have experienced, though, and the attention to detail on little things like single cast brass nut with individual raised slots for the strings (picture below). I had a chance to play another BT he had in the store, which was actually the main reason for my visit to BD (more of that particular nearly-new KS anon) through an Aguilar DB 751 and Aggie 410 cab. It was a little moment of bass heaven for me - what a gorgeous rich tone this bass produces which was obviously not hurt by having one of the best available rigs to hear it through! Even got nods of approval from Mrs Krow!

Three Kens in a den!

Yes. But early days. Ask me again in a few months... In the meantime, you're clearly on the verge of getting another Stomp or Native yourself, I can tell!

If you check out the Zoom B1X-4 / B3n patch idea thread you can see that the basic ToneLib layout is very intuitive for each individual effect, with ready embedded software explanations on hand for each parameter. Add easy drag and drop features and you have something that provides a really 'accessible' and easy workflow - that makes creating and editing patches both a doddle and a lot of fun. It's just such a darned shame that Zoom are limiting their offering to the sub £130 multfx budget end of the market. If they would iron out a few minor niggles (eg low level 'digital noise' underneath the notes) and add a little more capability / DSP, I'm sure there are many Zoom fanboys (and girls!) who would readily part with another £45 to £70 on top. I'm sure with time I may come to view the Helix interface similarly. But not necessarily. You will have seen Jimfist's much more articulate post on why he is much happier with the Zoom interface than that of much more capable multifx, due to the easier workflow. And he is someone who has spent many many hours tweaking multifx pedals over many years.

If you check out the Zoom B1X-4 / B3n patch idea thread you can see that the basic ToneLib layout is very intuitive for each individual effect, with ready embedded software explanations on hand for each parameter. Add easy drag and drop features and you have something that provides a really 'accessible' and easy workflow - that makes creating and editing patches both a doddle and a lot of fun. It's just such a darned shame that Zoom are limiting their offering to the sub £130 multfx budget end of the market. If they would iron out a few minor niggles (eg low level 'digital noise' underneath the notes) and add a little more capability / DSP, I'm sure there are many Zoom fanboys (and girls!) who would readily part with another £45 to £70 on top. I'm sure with time I may come to view the Helix interface similarly. But not necessarily. You will have seen Jimfist's much more articulate post on why he is much happier with the Zoom interface than that of much more capable multifx, due to the easier workflow. And he is someone who has spent many many hours tweaking multifx pedals over many years.

So far no question that ToneLib (for Zoom) knocks HX Edit out the park for ease of use. But maybe that view will change as I spend more time with HX Edit.

Thanks Woody. The above are two very relevant points, from my perspective. The first i.e. not using a PC in rehearsals or gigs and using actual pedals at home is exactly where I am coming from, which would indicate "no" to Native. However if you are also saying that Native can take the place of our existing DAWs eg Ableton or Reaper then that's something I, for one, wasn't aware of and would change my view of its usefulness (to me, anyway) entirely.

Slightly amusing that we're having this discussion when you don't have a Stomp and I don't have Native: clearly two real experts on their overlap then! 😂 We should have @CameronJ jumping in, who has both. Apologies if my use of language was less than precise - not the first or likely the last time, I'm sure! It's the operational workflow that is the only real interest point for me and their similarities in this respect is what I was trying to get across, and also why I don't feel any particular need to get Native as a bolt on to my Stomp & HX Edit. Of course, if Native is going to be useful for what someone is doing, then they absolutely should go for it.

Oooh you have a Gibson 335 😍

Did you get some steel shoulder implants by any chance? I hear they were all the rage in the 70s with the advent of metal.

Ah, in which case I now totally understand why your 425 is your favourite bass of the lot! 😂

@krispn - nope not my point at all that you can't edit the Stomp on the fly, of course you can! My point was simply that I prefer to edit multifx patches (on Zoom and now Helix) using a decent PC editor. ToneLib transformed my workflow with my Zoom multis. So I will be using HX Edit with my Stomp and I'm happy with that decision. If folk want to get Native on top, please don't let me stand in your way. @Woodinblack my linking of the Native and Helix is based on this article I came across which was very helpful: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/line-6-helix-native In it they made a comment: "Operationally, Native and HX Edit are very similar, with the obvious technical differences that Helix Native is both editor and processor, and works as a plug-in within your DAW host, while HX Edit is just an editor and functions as a stand-alone piece of software."

Plenty of us think many things are a good idea. Be interesting how many of this "vast" army of bass players you refer to actually get a Stomp + Native, given that there is quite a significant proportion who don't think the less featured HX Edit is worth bothering with, as they prefer to be able to edit patches on the fly. It may well be a useful addition, but I'm certainly not going to get religion about it either way. I thought krispn summed up its value to some bass players well in his earlier post.

Nothing wrong with great gear, but you don't need a fancy bass to be inspired to make great music. You can take away ALL my fancy gear, and leave me with 'just' a £200 used Yamaha BB 425. I will still love playing bass with my band.

Or you could just listen to Carol Kaye playing some of her amazing bass lines for an hour? Won't cost you a penny and in terms of inspiration...

I managed to get up close and personal to a KS BT 5er today. I'm completely blown away by the quality of the workmanship and have to admit to feeling more than a little jaw dropping 'wow', right now!