Al Krow

+1^^ The electronics would be the most important 'option' for me: so if Berg are indeed facilitating getting electronics that you want (which is great) being able to see at a glance what the choices and options on the configurator are would be very useful.

How much more would a customised Berg bass cost in comparison to an equivalent 'stock' model eg if you wanted black label pups rather than stock Delanos? Wasn't clear to me from the 'configurator' that you could actually choose electronics in that way, but I may have missed something.

Took the B1X-4 to rehearsal last night. Used the studio's slightly muddy Ashdown rig. I've tried really hard to like Ashdown RM heads and their cabs but not yet found ones I've really liked; I guess I've been a bit spoiled by my VK and BF cabs! I ended up only using 3 of the original patches: A-wah, Jaco (just for a bit of fun) and Dark Crunch to help cut through with the slightly muddy rig. But the pedal has had its first outing and it was a very good way to introduce bandmates to their bass player becoming 'effected' 😁 Looking forward to setting up some bespoke patches over the weekend.

Dave - I got asked something similar a week back, so I'm going to take a short cut and pull up my earlier post! The 434 is a more basic version of the P34. They are both configured pretty much the same in terms of P/J and VVT EQ. The pups, body construction, some of the materials and finish have all been upgraded in the P34 in comparison to the 434 and this is reflected in the price differential. However another entirely fair view is that the 'workhorse' end of the range often benefits from a lot of the design and features of their higher end siblings and end up being very good value. That was certainly felt with the series '2' when a lot of folk couldn't really understand the pricing difference between an £800 1024 and a £2,000+ 2024. I ended up with, and still have, the 1025 (rather than the 2025) for that very reason. But having recently been able to purchase a pretty mint used P35, I'll have to admit that of my 5 Yammys and 10 basses, it's the one I'm currently finding I want to pick up and play - I'm loving it! Not sure how long the honeymoon is going to last, but I'm enjoying it whilst it does!

Ok fair do's They are listing some old '2' series basses, which I thought had been discontinued, i.e. the 2024/X and of course the BB NE2 The top of the current '3' series BB range, which are all P/J configured, is the P34 which is obviously a lot less than nearly £3k.

@dmccombe7 not sure where you got your £2,800 figure from?! (Unless it's a discontinued bass?) Knock £1,500 off figure that and you'll be nearer the mark I'm sure you would love a P34. I'm totally loving my P35.

Isn't there a Berg 'Basic' range which is the entry level Berg or is that still the Electra?

Dave - just pulling your Yammy query over onto this Yammy thread. The latest '3' series Yammy BB basses come with set P/J pups (i.e. no choice of pups); the more expensive basses have slightly upgraded pups to the 'workhorse' end of the range. Unlike the older series, I understand that the '3' series pups are more industry standard in their fit to make swapping them out for alternatives easier, should anyone want to. Must admit I really like them the way the are - they work really well for me. But not really a fair comparison with Bergs - not sure what a 'Basic' Berg costs, but a new BB 434, which seems to me to be a very good bass, can be bought new for around £450 - so if you want to upgrade pups and / or preamp you would still have plenty of change from £1k

Cool! Is this the new firmware that @Quatschmacher has been referring to, or is that coming later?

Nice review John! Given that the HPF and the tuner on the B1-4 should be at least as good as that on the MS-60B and you're getting a tone close to your VTBDI, seems to me you could easily get away without using either and have a one-stop shop in your B1-4. If you wanted, you could also pick up a compact battery-free passive DI from Behringer for £14. Job done

Apologies for sounding like a stuck record, but I did need to pick up on the 'profiteering' angle. I'm not aware of many folk on Basschat who are looking to make a profit from their gear - most of us are on here simply 'cos bass is our passion. The point surely is not about making a profit at all, but about value for money. Those of us that can blow £1,500 on a bass without giving it second thought, well that's great we're in such a fortunate position. For a lot of bassists that amount may be a stretch and could well be the single most expensive bit of gear they have bought. Then finding they have to fork out another £500 or so on replacement pups and preamp is not going to be a joke. So I totally understand where @thisisswanbon and others are coming from when it becomes a choice between moving it on and significant further outlay and wishing that it would be just amazing straight "out of the box", in the way that I'm finding with my Yammy BB P35 and tbf I'm sure many, but clearly not all, Berg owners are also with theirs.

That's exactly it! The better the DSP / chipset (= 'engine') the more authentic the sims. And tbf the Helix Stomp is the next level up in terms of a better engine. But you'd hope so when you're paying over six times as much, wouldn't you? And as I posted at length last night, I'm really sensing that the B1/X-4 is going to be 'good enough' which, when combined with the easier Zoom 'work-flow' that Jimfist explained better than me earlier, makes this pedal a potential winner. You do realise needing to do a reset is like landing on the 'go to jail' spot? You'll now need to spend three turns sorting your stuff out or shake a double (whiskey?) or pay a £50 fine to upload my presets 😂

That eff'ing awesome rig isn't hurting, though, is it Dave?! You'd be hard pressed to make anything sound sh*ite through that (let alone a £1,500 bass) 😁😂

You and me both, mate! I took the low road and eventually ended up selling mine (probably the single biggest 'loss' on any piece of kit I've had to take). Was a beautifully well made bass, no question. Yup, you really can't (or at least shouldn't try to) put a price on that!

Yes to the ToneLib software - you'll need to download the latest version which has been updated to cater for the newly released B1/X-4 You can do a factory reset to restore patches (not that I'm ever likely to do that until the B2X-4 comes out and I move this on). And using the ToneLib software you can back up your own created patches onto your PC so that you don't lose those if you are doing a reset. Dave will be able to jump in with a comparison to B1on (as I've never had that), but his earlier comments was this is better - which is very much what I would expect as it has the newer DSP / chipset present on the B3n, rather than the older ones on the B1on, MS-60B and B3. Go on treat yourself, and get the X-rated version whilst your at it! 😉

I've deleted 30 of the 40 original 'pants' patches, leaving just the 10 originals I'm likely to use. Deleting patches is not a luxury on the B1/X-4 as you only have 50 slots. I regard it as very necessary housekeeping to leave space for my own bespoke patches. And the effects are always available to create our own patches from. So I am kinda doing the opposite of you which is to leave all (or pretty much all) the individual effects on, but to delete the pants patches! On the B3N there were 150 slots available, so you could leave all the original patches on, if you wanted, and still have plenty of slots for your own use.

PS one to @dave_bass5 Patch [34] Sub Boogie (octave down + chorus) didn't make it passed Judges Houses and has been for the chop...😀

That PG does work really well.

Oooh the Joyo ZGP does look like a bit of kit worth checking out! But can't you get the same result using a Noise Gate effect (I think it's the ZNR?) on the Zoom multi? I remember putting that, or something similar, plus an HPF (the low EQ effect) for stand alone use, on quite a few patches when I had my B3N. Actually just spotted that Amazon have the Joyo ZGP on sale for £10 inc delivery (apparently 8 left in stock at that price) and given that it comes recommended by two of you on this thread, definitely worth a try out. Order placed! 😊 @operative451 that's the first bit of expenditure I'm laying blame for at your door! Hope this is not the start of a trend 😂

On the first bit, I think consensus is to clean up the signal with an HPF at the start of the chain => the rest of the pedals (particularly the compressor) are not having to bother with dealing with the 'crud'. I'm with you in preferring the TC Spectracomp over the Zoom multi comps.

Ok that is funny. But is it a fair comparison to what @Count Bassy was saying?

Who did the finishing & paint work for you (or did you do it yourself)?

Love her backside too! Btw - some of us actually like that 'awful' pick up selector switch! 😁

Apologies @Horizontalste for pulling this over from another (Accessories) thread, but OMG I totally love what you've done to your 425!!! Wow!