Al Krow

This seems to be a great way forward at the budget end i.e. KZ ZS10Pros + upgrade tips/sleeves. Be really interested to get your recommendations for "off the shelf" tips/sleeves (short of getting bespoke moulded ones)?

Gonna be super impressed if anyone owns this, given it was only launched yesterday(?) haha! 29 lbs - is neat. Same weight as the Barefaced BB2 I've just sold. However, it requires an extension cab to deliver its full 800W payload and is a 400W combo as a standalone unit, but that's still pretty decent. However, I was a little gobsmacked at how light the new Markbass 1x12 combo range are - I think closer to 21 lbs.

Interesting, I'm thinking of replacing the preamp on my BB2005.

Cheers fella, I wasn't even aware of the Zoom mixing desk range before you mentioned it so, much appreciated!

I've ended up going for the Zoom L8 following @skidder652003's enthusiasm for his band's L12, which should do the job nicely for the 4-piece covers band I'm taking the lead on this for. It's pretty modest in terms of cost (a little over £300) but the ability to provide 4 separate/tailored outputs to each band member will facilitate us getting wired / wireless IEMs which is the current plan, and the lack of individual monitor outputs was the key constraint to the otherwise excellent Allen & Heath mixing desks we've been using and which have done us proud since 2014.

There's always one isn't there, or should I say 74? 😁 Respect, envy and gladness of extra storage space in equal measure. As you were, haha! 212

I wish, haha! No, it's the in-house PA system that Wembley Boxpark have - it's an awesome set-up including overhead hung PA speakers. I'm sure most band PAs would struggle to fill-out that venue, which you'll appreciate if you check some of the images online. We were just using our RCF 310As as floor stage monitors.

We love getting asked to play at Wembley Boxpark, although it can be quite a tough crowd, at times, as folk are eating and drinking with their mates and not necessarily wanting to engage with the band. Our singer, Ami, never fails to give 100% at every gig and she really helps to energise the rest of us when we're not getting that from an audience. I guess it can be all too easy to lose sight of how fortunate it is to have great bandmates, and it's lovely that she's still so passionate about the band which she's been fronting since 2016. Here's a little clip from last night:

Thanks for that. What's your current band line up and I'd be very interested what you're using for the rest of the PA in terms of speakers and IEM kit (transmitters / receivers and earpieces).

It's a good question - I was going for something around the RCF M18 ballpark at the outset, but fine with paying a bit more if the functionality / usability makes it worthwhile. I guess ideally <£600 for a desk. Just offloaded my little A&H Zed 10FX on fleabay within a couple of days of listing it (and before I'd got around to even listing it on BC!) so I'm actually under a bit of pressure now to come off the fence and make a decision. Current front runner for my 4-piece band is probably still the Zoom Livetrack L8, which looks neat, has a good feature set and is pretty affordable.

But has a pretty hefty price tag, ooof! Once you start taking tablets and routers into the mix that does increase effective size / eliminates the convenience of a one-stop desk but agreed the RCF M18 is definitely an alternative option to think about here.

And for less than half the price of the PreSonus and Studiomaster mixers, this from Behringer also looks like it ticks a lot of boxes not least in terms of value for money:

Much more modest for me at £50 used: my little Zoom B1-4. 45 bespoke patches (with 5 "clean" tones in between for transition) which have been a lot of fun to put together and tweak plus led lit tuner provides me with a perfectly adequate standalone gigging board which can slip into my gig bag. Drum machine and headphone amp for home practice is perfect. (There's also a looper, but I find it a bit limited so tend not to use it).

Just come across the PreSonus StudioLive 16.0.2 desk. This also looks really good. It's in the same price bracket as the StudioMaster Digilive 16, but with greater direct controls. Effectively the same number of aux outputs as on the Studiomaster unit (i.e. 6) but configured as 2 monitor plus 4 aux. Dunno if any folk are using PreSonus kit with their bands?

Haha, sorry! I meant my post was on the wrong thread and I've since reposted it on the right one. But yeah - be good if we can keep the focus of discussion on here to compact mixer desks 😄

Another superb performance @doc40hz! And such a lot of talent in the same family!

Yeah for sure - it got enough "likes" didn't it? Haha! Also added @AdrianP's @Tim2291's @briansbrew's and @matski's BBs to the wall of shame whilst I was at it.

Fixed 😊 And that just goes to prove that we all have different tastes - wouldn't the world be a boring place if we didn't? 😁

Same here - I tried hard over two separate attempts to bond with a BB735A but it just didn't click tonally for me, despite being a fantastic piece of kit on paper and actually the same, in the end, with a BB NE2. The passive BBs I've had, have all been great. Obviously it's a personal thing but, for me, in order of preference would be my BB P35 (a little too heavy for me unfortunately), followed by a BB 1025 (loved this bass!) and a BB 425, which had a serious kick-ass punch. Having said that, I've ended up with an active BB 2005 as one of just two "keeper" regular gigging basses - the other one being my Elrick Evo5 which I know it's heresy on this thread to say, would be my first choice but it's a lot more ££ than the BB 2005 so I'd kinda hope that it would be a step up. it would be gone from my herd if it wasn't! The BB 2005 is a great piece of kit and just a delight to "wear": I've not come across such a beautifully balanced bass with literally zero neck dive. Its weak point is its preamp, but I've plans to upgrade that (maybe to John East?) and I suspect at which point it will then be giving my Elrick a run for its money!

What proportion of pro bands are using IEM set ups these days? Was at a Level 42 concert on Friday and thet were using an "old fashioned" stage monitor set up, so it got me thinking about this question.

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Bass Gallery - heat treatment? Maybe worth giving them a call.

It does look good! But is there any noticeable latency on a digital mixer vs an analogue one?