Al Krow

+1^^ No question, an amazing bit of kit that would open up the world of midi even for complete novices like me. You've had my views on pricing already - which sadly is likely to be the stumbling block for my getting one.

Yes please - would love come and support you guys! In the meantime, guess I'm gonna have to put up with Mr King's crew playing down in Hastings next month instead 🙂

That's very useful. It definitely sounds like it's not an appropriate device for midi novices like me, given its features and price, and I'd be much better off with something like an MC6 as a more entry level device. But it does look fabulous and great job on getting it to this stage, Peter.

Sure - around same price as a decent multi fx eg Helix Stomp, which is around £450.

That's what a lot of us are waiting to find out with baited breath! Turning that question around, I'd be interested to know how much folk might be willing to pay for such a quality piece of kit?

Probs not as good tones as the C4, but maybe worth checking out the Boss SY-200. Flawless tight tracking and has arpegiattor with speeds that can be separately triggered by midi or expression pedal.

Oh I'd love our drummer to have an electric kit. He might even get some practice done at home then, haha! But I think he was born shortly before the Neanderthals were invented... Tbf all the drummers I work with are good at dialling the volume down e.g. by using rods instead of sticks, when it's appropriate for them to do so.

I guess the nice thing about the Bergantino design was that rear facing back speaker is low down and also not pointing at the vocal mics - not dissimilar to stage monitors in that sense, although it lacks the ability to independently control the rear facing volume which a stage monitor gives and that would be s a big disadvantage. The market clearly didn't take too kindly to them as I think the HG series may have already been discontinued. Appreciate IEMs would be another solution - but not all musos seem to like using IEMs. Certainly true of the drummer in one of my bands, so the Behringer mini monitor might be a nice solution for him and I know some bass players miss the "feel" of bass when there's no backline. So I guess the other obvious approach for bass monitoring would be a little backline bass combo for stage bass and let the PA speakers do the heavy lifting for FoH.

But bands use backline speakers all the time, which will be "muddying" the on stage sound? I could see this working really well as a FoH bass speaker and the rear facing cab provding a dedicated bass monitor. Could be neat!

Check out the Bergantino HG312. Apparently Jim knows a thing or two about cab design!

Not considered these, but they do look well featured! £700+ though. The smaller Zoom LiveTrack L-12 could, however, be just the ticket for us.

Yeah the Soundcraft Signature series has on-board fx and, as we know, our singers do like a bit of reverb! 🙂

Cheers. Do you need a separate tablet or mobile phone to set up the desk and how easy is to tweak the settings on the fly?

We've been using Allen & Heath mixing desks (Zed10FX and Zed60-14FX) models for a long while and they've served us very well. However, we're coming up against the constraints of the limited monitor outputs on the A&H desks though (one aux-out and one headphone out). I've recently come across the Soundcraft Signature series, which look well featured, and have three individually controllable aux-outs as well as a headphone out. Seem to get pretty good reviews online. Any of you come across Soundcraft gear or, if not, be interested to hear what you're using and how well you rate your desks?

I did try that exact 312 rig set up recently, but when I combined my 4ohm 212 Berg with my 8ohm 112 BF BB2, I didn't feel the BB2 was adding much to the party - I mean it was a decent (and pricey!) stage monitor, but the Berg was definitely doing the heavy lifting in terms of providing the bulk of the volume, which I guess I could have anticipated.

Check out Vanderkley MNT 210 which is available in 4ohms. Handles 600W RMS. It's a quality and great sounding cab. An additional 8 ohm 1x12 could make good sense as others have mentioned, but I'd suggest only if your existing cab is also 8 ohm and not 4 ohms.

Well if you see me putting a high-end cab and a decent amp in the FS at some point in the autumn you'll have your answer as to whether the 912s are any good 😁

You'd kinda think/hope that vocalists would be providing band PAs as they are the ones who need it the most? Nope - haha! And, yup, we bass players do seem to end up being the sound guy! Although after a lengthy campaign I managed to persuade the drummers in both my bands to get onto PA duties, as they needed to be driving anyway with their kits. It's been a blissful few months of me not having to take a PA to gigs, whilst I've been looking at replacement options. Will all come crashing back to earth once the 912As arrive in Oct... PS maybe just me, but I've found that I can hear the bass just fine from standing near a PA speaker ie no particular need to rely on stage monitor or IEM.

Are you currently using an amp & cab for bass? If so, the 12" PA set up may allow you to ditch your backline. I've certainly spent as much on my two bass rigs as I just have on RCF 912As, so I may end up getting a chunk of cash back if I end up selling one of my rigs.