Al Krow

Thinking whether there's a secondary use whereby you take two bass outputs from the VTDI to the desk, one of the being the the parallel to give you a full clean bass tone to underpin a more driven 'effected' tone from the unit. Just wondering whether you have have come across folk doing this? I'm guessing the majority of us bass players simply rely on the blend knob in the unit itself.

We've successfully used a pair of RCF 310As for a 5 piece rock band, mostly with separate backline for bass. Very portable and excellent articulation.

But speaking of higher end Yamaha BBs, you've not yet linked this find of yours on here yet though?

Taking that one step further, does the unit effectively therefore have 3 outputs that can all be used simultaneously? i.e. 1/4" out , 1/4" parallel out and DI out? Albeit that the 1/4" parallel out is purely clean by-pass.

Reviving an old thread... I ended up a getting a HB Spaceship 50 which has been excellent for what I needed it for and great value, and subsequently moved on my Metro 24. Found myself wanting a bit more space recently and bought a Rockboard 4.2, but that was definitely a case of my aspirations for a pedal board being a lot bigger than my actual needs, so the 4.2 has been sitting mint and unused in the cupboard since I got it! However, the Rockboard 3.2 looks absolutely perfect size-wise for what I need and Thomann kindly delivered one to my door earlier today. Age old curse of starting a BC thread about a particular product and end up getting it!

My second pedal purchase off Ben and another very smooth transaction. Thanks!

I came across Scott (of Bass Lessons fame) saying he set himself a target of 3 hours of focussed bass practice a day when he wanted to become a pro. That seemed to be a very decent benchmark to me (and not one I've managed to do, yet, btw). There's a related point about the physicality of playing bass, which some have touched on in this thread. As someone who is no longer a spring chicken, just wondering if there's an age when our mind might be willing but our bodies say "be realistic, that's as good as you're going to get"?

I'd best post straight after the Trav then! (Who has indeed done Yamaha BBs, no question!!). I've "done" a much smaller sample of BBs than Andy: 425, 1025, 735A and P35. All great basses! I've not bought a bass in nearly a year now, a bit of a record for me since joining Basschat! Really happy with my current herd and my sole remaining BB, which is a 2005, which gets regularly gigged alongside my Elrick. Both are basses I'm delighted to have picked up used from fellow BCers as my two most recent purchases. Love them both.

As the billionaire said, when their spouse asked for a divorce for their birthday... "Heck, I wasn't thinking of spending that much money!"

What had you got in mind? For me the trick would be combining some more up to date hardware with Helix's market leading software.

1. Increased processing power. 2. Bigger & touch screen.

Does seem weird that the Yamaha store (and Yamaha are Helix's parent) would mention a Stomp 2 and as being something better? I mean why undermine one of your product range in that way, if it's not being discontinued?

Oooh, that's kinda exciting news!

One follow-up question from me if I may: is there any issue with running two outputs from the VTDI i.e. one from the DI and a separate one from the 1/4", both at the same time?

Your suggestion of: Wireless receiver -> Chorus -> VTDI -> Desk/PA ... has the benefit of letting you use the DI out from VTDI. But if you have a separate DI pedal then this becomes a non-issue. I guess it then depends on how you are using your VTDI e.g. to deliver an Ampegy clean tone or to add some grit to your sound? And then it's going to boil down to do you personally prefer the sound with the chorus before or after the VTDI? If there's very little in it, then maybe easiest to go with your suggested set up to make use of the DI? It's a great little preamp!

Cheers Phil. My Berg 212 NXT 4 ohm did the heavy lifting for both gigs and just that one for the Sun am solo gig. I also used my BF BB2 (8 ohm) effectively as a backline stage monitor for the male singer/guitarist/drummer at the function gig on Sat night. I was happily perched next to the Berg for that one 🙂

This sounds impressive! May need to revisit my decision to get RCF 932As. Any clips of your band using this live?

No PA no problem? The bass rig's revenge! I'm still in between PAs, so for gigs these are currently being supplied by the respective drummers in my two covers bands, but I'll have to fess really enjoying not being the band roadie - so maybe that partly explains my tardiness in getting the cheque book out. Well best laid plans and all that: we had a bit of an "emergency" with our drummer falling ill and therefore no PA over the weekend, so I ended up using my bass rig as a makeshift PA for a couple of gigs. We managed to get a dep drummer in for Sat's function gig; and the singer in my other band did a solo set for the London 10K on Sunday morning in place of the full band. I used two bass cabs for the full band gig and just a single Berg 212 for the solo gig, powered on both occasions by my DG M900 amp. Worked just fine! Decent amplification seems to do what it says on the tin and provides...decent amplification. Yeah, I accept that my bass rig probably costs as much as many PAs, but it's good to know that it can be put to wider use. Clip from Sunday's solo set (please excuse the noisy generator in the background): Louise Anderson (@singoutlou) Comment from singer was that she felt her lows came through noticeably better whereas she felt that they were often lost with our PAs. The fact she noticed that got my attention, but I guess not surprising that a bass rig does particularly well at dealing with low end stuff! As for dealing with backing tracks it does the job very nicely.

One mounted + one floor PA speaker set up for smaller venues Update from last night's gig. Was an awkward to get S London gig for me, so it was great to be able to jump on a tube and take 45 mins with literally just my bass and lead, rather than a 1.5 hour rush hour drive across town. Drummers in both my bands have compact PAs now to take to such gigs - and they obviously need to be driving anyway with their drums. Last night we had two, relatively budget, Proel 600W 15" tops. Managed to persuade my (slightly reluctant, haha!) bandmates to give some of the tips from earlier in this thread a try out and it worked an absolute treat. We put bass, kick drum and 2 mics through the PA, dep guitarist had backline. Set up was as follows: One PA speaker on pole in standard set up Second PA speaker on floor next to drums - to enhance the bass by making use of floor sonic reinforcement, and to provide stage monitoring End result: - really happy with overall sound and mix; - all of us able to hear each other without any separate stage monitor or IEMs; - no feedback issues, even when Ami (our lead vox) wandered off into the crowd with her wireless mic. Second time we've now used this set up for pub gigs, last night's was a larger venue than first time round but still worked really well.

If you ever manage to get your hands on a BB 2004 that may well tick all the boxes for you in terms of both looks and simply being a great bass. I'm still loving my BB 2005. In fact, it's the only BB currently in my herd.

Thanks Bill. What's your view / recommendation of a decent set up for powerful bass reproduction then?

Yup, it's gotta be all about image and not about how wonderful they sound and feel to play,or their outstanding build quality and great value for money. 😁

Ah ok - yeah. Drummer in one of my two bands is dead set against IEMs and prefers analogue kit; separately feedback from a couple of bass buddies is that IEMs are least good for the bass player in terms of the individual band members (EBS may be able to jump in to correct that if it's not a fair comment), so we would need to combine with a new digital desk and being able to tailor our output individually, but then still need a monitor for him. So I think we'll kick off with the singers having IEMs and carry on using our existing Allen & Heath analogue desks. I find I can hear the bass pretty well from just standing near a PA with our small 310As. The backline combo was really addressing EBS's point of the 932As lacking bass extension - but I'll give them a try out first: it maybe that they're fine for our more limited needs.

Not ruled out IEMs and the singers are actively considering them already, but as Woody jokingly rightly pointed out, it's kinda a separate issue to choice of PA speakers.

Agreed. It was the 12" floor speakers that seemed to be the main source of boominess / feedback with Evox 8. The store guys also commented about the line arrays having a relatively narrow-band frequency range. They clearly weren't intent on selling the unit to me, haha!