Al Krow

Cheers Cuzzie - I agree the availability of the semi-para mids on an amp at this price point is yet another really neat feature, adding to the fantastic value its delivering. However finding the sweet spot EQ, for me, will be more a case of taking it to a few more gigs and getting comfortable with how its sounding with the band, particular bass, venue and playlist. This was my the first gig outing for this amp and I'm sure that you'll appreciate that tweaking EQ mid-set to find a sweet spot (with ear plugs in) and first time this particular band has played live after 18 months wouldn't have right at the top of my "to do" list! 🙂 I know some folk will happily spend ages faffing around with gear at rehearsal(s) but our focus, with just one pre-gig rehearsal, was very much making sure we were on top of the 35+ songs we were running through. But the overall mix on the gig sounded good from the feedback we got and the audience seemed to be having a very good time - so that was a big tick. We had a really fun time and it was great to be out gigging again. How did the 1001M fare on your first after-18-months outing?

Cheers Andy. I appreciate that Ricki and I going into an in depth discussion about two Yammy BBs is a bit off topic on this thread... 😁

Soz mate - don't follow your logic at all here. If the "instrument", i.e. vocal chords in this instance, the singers are using are the same - which they are not, no two singers have the same vocal chords, albeit siblings can sometimes come pretty close - you're now talking about how the singers are using their instruments. The comparison would be to say that a top class bass player is going to play the same bass better than Joe Average. No debate from me on that. But as I said, if you think you can hear a difference in sound from the same bassist playing a 2024/5 vs 1024/5 in a band mix, on a bass with pretty identical design, pups, woods and preamp (and assuming of course the same strings) you're welcome to spend the extra if you think it's worth it. Happy to disagree and I hope you enjoy your 2024 when you get one, I'm sure they are lovely basses 🙂

The 2024/5 and 1024/5 have identical woods, pups, preamps and design. If you can hear the difference between a 2024/5 and 1024/5 in a blind test, then good for you. In the hands of the same bass player in a band mix I certainly never could! And you're welcome to spend 3 times as much on one, as the other. Maria Callas and KJ have completely different set of vocal chords. You could just as easily compare Mick Jagger with Paul McCartney singing the same tune or any two well known vocalists - we'd be able to tell them apart in a band mix no trouble at all. It's a pointless comparison.

@Ricky Rioli not really sure of the point you're making - are you saying you'd rather get a BB 2024/5 instead of a BB 1024/5, despite it costing three times as much for a pretty identical piece of kit? You're of course very welcome to, but not something I would ever do. I would, however, spend more than the cost of a BB 2024/5 on a Ken Smith every day of the week.

Yes agreed, as discussed at length on here previously. But the fact one costs three times as much(!) as the other for sonic wood treatment to give it a "played-in feel", which should come naturally anyway from playing the bass in, and being MIJ instead of Indonesia, still makes no sense to me. And it never will - which is why I have a 1025 and not a 2025. But there you go!

Would the parallel between a BB NE2 and a BB 2005 be a BB 2025 and a BB 425? I didn't suggest the BB 1025 as it seems to be almost identically spec'd to the 2025 - I've never understood Yamaha's price differential on those two models!

Another +1 for the Zoom B1-4: it will give you a very decent chorus and phaser. The MS60B is also good but, having had both, IMO the B1-4 has a much better user interface, excellent built-in tuner plus headphone amp capability, useful drum machine and to cap it off is cheaper! I don't particularly rate the octave down / up on the Zoom pedals, they are ok but nothing special. Here, I'd recommend a Boss OC-5, which is outstanding and will deliver the classic OC-2 sound on octave down plus additional octave up (either alone or simultaneously - try doing that on a Zoom and you'll get a mush!) If you can get a Valeton OC-10 that's great value on the octave-down front, but they are pretty thin on the ground since they stopped production.

Took my 1001M out for a "proper" spin at band rehearsal last night and a 2 hour gig tonight - first time since getting it a few months back. Had no problems powering my BF BB2 to hold its own with a full 5 piece band. Its core tone is definitely more gritty / "dirtier" than my DG M900. I need to spend a bit more time getting my ideal "base case" EQ settings - I was playing a passive Yamaha BB1025 tonight and maybe a sensible approach is to stick with that "threesome" till I've got the base case nailed. It was feeling a little too full on bass particularly on P or PJ, but even a relatively slight bass cut on the amp and compensating boost to the mids at 450 Hz felt a little boxy. So I'll need to tweak it a bit further to hit the sweet spot and also have a listen from the audience rather than just in the mix with the band. But overall, this is undoubtedly a kick-ass amp! Gig was a lot of fun too - crowd definitely up for letting their hair down on a Friday night!

Ok, first dibs then please!😁

Yeah - likewise, I was tempted by SY1000 and gave up for similar reasons of thought of having to put aside a bass to kit it out with the necessary interface. So the SY-1 is finally getting gigged, result! Be interested in which song you using it on and what settings? That was definitely frustrating on the FI pricing for you. But shame not to use it - in terms of quality of synth tones I think it's still the best bass pedal currently available. And I'm not sure it's too much bigger than the SY-200?

So you have the FI and SY-1 currently? Snap! 🙂

Yup $300 plus VAT & customs would put it at around the £280 mark. I guess transport may be a bit more from Japan --> UK than Japan --> US as well. I look forward to getting a used one off @Woodinblack in 12 months' time and I will finally get round to selling him my Boss SY-1 at that point so he can have a spare...😁

Looks good! Not sure it's new tech though - seems like a repackaged SY-300, which came out around 2015, in a smaller box? The 128 presets, plus the programmability of the SY-300, give it a nice edge over the SY-1. It also has the Boss visual UI which is better than the FI's and a lot better than the current C4. But in terms of core synth tones, if it is a rehashed SY-300 then IMO the FI and C4 will trump it. Assuming it has the poly tracking of the SY-1, that particular feature is awesome.

So definitely worth reading any 6 consecutive pages then... 😄

Darkglass have one as standard on their amps.

...oh and Gav, you're clearly a chap who doesn't suffer from OCD! 😁

@krispn partly agree with you 😉 I will still have the excellent option of the Zoom B1-4 as a standalone micro board together with a Boss WL-20 wireless. Not a pedal guy? Not convinced by that! I've loved trying out LOTs of pedals over past few years. I do agree that they are more likely to be used live by me for original material rather than with my covers bands though. Having got to grips with the B1-4 and created 40+ bespoke patches on that (pretty much all of which are shared on the Zoom B1-4 ideas thread), I do have a bit more headspace for other PC editing but there are several things on that list of which the FI is one and only so many spare hours in a week, eh? The work that @Quatschmacherhas done on the FI PC Editor software is outstanding and has turned the interface from a PITA to something really good and is the key reason I've decided to get another one; being on my gigging mini-board will be a useful nudge...fingers crossed I won't be too far behind your attempts to get up to speed on the SA C4!

Well it is a gigging mini board and the FI is an actual bass synth with hopefully some pretty usable sounds rather than a synth emulator, which is what the FI is, and for gigs having numbered presets that you can scroll through is very helpful (which the SY1 doesn't have). Just like the Zoom B1-4 in that respect. Need to work out how to use the thing now (which took no time at all with the SY-1)...lol!

Well I'd best do this properly then 1. bassfan: OC5 > Proton > VTDI > FI > Zoom B1-4 [3 correct pedals] 2. sumone: OC5 > Proton > Octava > VTDI > Zoom B1-4 [3 correct pedals] 3. gisserD: SY1 > OC5 > Proton > Zoom B1-4 > VTDI [2.5 correct pedals - "half" for SY1 instead of FI] 4. lee650: OC5 > SY1 > YYZ > Proton > Zoom B1-4 [2.5 correct pedals - "half" for SY1 instead of FI] 5. ordep: OC5 > SY1 >FI > Mothership > Zoom B1-4 [2 correct pedals] What I actually went for: FI-->OC5-->Octava-->Proton-->Zoom B1-4 You were close Darren, but sadly no cigar! Ignoring the Zoom B1-4 which wasn't optional, actually @bassfan and @SumOne were the closest with 3/4 correct choices. Paul (aka Bassfan) will be coming over in a couple of weeks to return a piece of kit before the hefty new London car taxes come into force, so I'm sure we will sort this out with beer offsets. But Ben's previously agreed meet up beer got postponed due to hols so half the winnings will gladly go towards a beer or a transfer to his ever expanding pedal fund!

Here you go gents, to save you reading through 18 pages - well actually just 3 pages as it turned out! @ebozzz ended up holding onto the M version. Whilst the T version may be 'warmer' still, personally I don't think the M lacks warmth at all - in fact with the gain pumped it delivers quite a tube-like break up.

Nope, but the person who did posted on that thread

Well, it's gone now to an appreciative new home! 🙂

Hear what you are saying and as I've just been using the Zoom B1-4 as a standalone micro board so far (and will still have that option with my second B1-4), it is indeed currently doing the heavy lifting! Tbf I'm only using fx on half a dozen songs, most work great with simple bass-->amp but it's nice to add a bit extra on occasion whether it be tape echo, chorus or a bit of drive, and I'm sure that is a common approach for many covers players. Speaking of drive, as I've said before, the Octava is fantastic and will definitely be getting used alongside the B7K sim on the Zoom. The Z synth isn't labelled as being a Moog clone or anything else - so it looks like it's just a Zoom effect. The blurb merely states that it "adds analog synth fatness". Which, of course, is a little amusing given that the B1-4 is a digital multifx pedal.