Musicman20

[quote name='No. 8 Wire' timestamp='1507292163' post='3384547'] Maybe darkglass doesn't expect to sell any or many to the general public. They could just be a marketing tool so that endorsing artists can have a wall of darkglass cabs behind them in music videos, concerts and YouTube promos. After all, you can't see a pedal or a class D amp from the back of a gig can you? The pricing is just there so the other gear doesn't look quite so expensive! [/quote] I like your approach. I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of consumers don't realise exactly what happens to get them to buy products, and yes, I think being cynical and not trusting everything you are told helps.

[quote name='Cuzzie' timestamp='1507284974' post='3384473'] I agree with Musicman20, they are definitely missing a big big trick with their stuff, the clean amp is rather good, and a good EQ, but we never hear it. I really liked the clean EQ, but too many nobbles for me to tinker, and i wasn't using the distortion which to my ears still does not quite sit together with the clean sound, there is a slight separation rather than a pure parallel. Anyway, they rally need to advertise the clean more, or it may have made more sense to bring out just a clean version of the amp with no distortion circuit, then you don't need the pedal they don't provide with the amp......... [/quote] Exactly, I want to know MORE about the cleans. My Stingrays sound absolutely amazing clean....and with a little dirt, but primarily I want to know what the amps is like clean, so it needs to be pushed more.

I think half the issue is that with so much distortion in 3/4 of their demos, it basically becomes a generic 'DG tone' which is fine if you like it (and they certainly ARE good at their signature style of distortion if you like it) but all the basses I've heard through that tone lose character (as is the same with a lot of distortion) and if your guitars are also super high gain, what exactly are you hearing? IMO/IME, a touch of dirt is great for certain bands, clean is decent with super high gain/heavy guitars, and a full on dirty bass tone is better with a band where the bass takes a more prominent role. Muse...for example. Death From Above 1979.

[quote name='Al Krow' timestamp='1507098928' post='3383238'][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]There is a big difference between "can't buy" and refusing to throw hard earned cash away on something that is [i]clearly[/i] overpriced.[/font][/color] [/quote] +1

Anyone who thinks the current pricing is normal is a victim of marketing!

Big shame, and a sad day and sad loss to music....

I tried a 5 string Ric yearrrrrrsssss ago! Maybe when I was 15?! It was pure awful.

Wowwwwwww

This pedal has just had a major software update land!

I would say a good comparison, pedal wise, perhaps so not high gain, would be the Tech 21 gear. Quite a lot cheaper. I've had a pop at Aguilar as the prices went exceptionally high. Something like £700 for ONE 1x12 DB112! I paid £600 new for a DB212! Those prices are before and after middleman distributors. If these new DG cabs are made here, why on earth are they incredibly expensive? The Aguilar SL410 is crazy money but it is light and it's imported from the USA. At these prices, BERGANTINO every time.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1506676269' post='3380300'] I like Doug. He seems a nice bloke and he's clearly a very talented engineer. But all that bollocks about bassists not thinking about how important cabs are in the signal chain gives absolute damning proof that his marketing guys should be staked out, smeared with BBQ sauce and left for the wolves. [/quote] HAHAHAHAH

[quote name='Al Krow' timestamp='1506635594' post='3380151'] [b]Over priced, over hyped and last year's sound.[/b] Pointless speakers? Well actually once the short lived buzz about the transient metal sound has fizzled out, IMHO [b]A pointless product range[/b]. There I've said it... [/quote] I hate to be a typical cynical Brit, but I agree. I happily buy expensive products, such as Apple, but something about the DG pricing structure just puts me off. I also really DO NOT like the current trend of extremely distorted bass that people play like a guitar. Djent or whatever the genre is just rubs me up the wrong way. It sounds tacky. I love hearing new types of music but I cannot get into it whatsoever, and I am a big fan of heavier and faster aggressive music.

[quote name='Jack' timestamp='1506669096' post='3380228'] Mind you, they still sell plenty of the pedals, so I hope they sell the cabs too! Always good to support the little people and help local businesses. [/quote] I don't think they are so small now!

Just use a Helix into a monitor/PA or even powered cab/bass amp into cab...far more flexible for bass.

Personally, I would have opted for a more modern take on a bass cabinet. For that money they could have refined a more Barefaced type approach, or even Genz/Genzler, instead of just a decent 4x10 that weighs far too much. I think their tone would be great through a more modern bass orientated cab like a 2x12 with a mid/HF type arrangement, specially designed and tuned. Neo speakers, lightweight and well braced. No idea what the point is of yet another 4x10. You'd be better getting the lighter BF. I do applaud them for such a well marketed bass product range, but it's not really my type of tone. E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FN2KFdgtms I can't handle the bass just following guitar chugs. Dave is a great player but this music just washes over my head and I love metal, hardcore and more importantly punk. Very niche. They should have aimed the new products at general players and demo'd clean. The Lakky sounds great though! Nice to see a decent 4 string P bass being used instead of a Dingwall.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/DG-410CAB/bass-cabs/darkglass-dg-410c-4x10-bass-cab?_ga=2.149573302.1069399008.1506431566-637290218.1490189901 Jeeeeeeessss!

Who is making the cabinets? That is serious cash for a 2x10.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1506459235' post='3378959'] It's on their web site!!! [list] [*][b]United Kingdom[/b] Contact Bergantino Audio for direct sales 00 1 512 873 8043 eMail: [email="[email protected]"]Bergantino Audio Direct Sales[/email] [/list] [/quote] Isn't that just the USA factory direct?

[quote name='dannybuoy' timestamp='1506458078' post='3378945'] Manufactured in the UK too apparently, so hopefully reasonably priced over here. I wonder if they have collaborated with Barefaced or someone else we are familiar with... [/quote] Hmmm!

I wonder why it has gone this way? It must be very expensive to import one or two products as a consumer now?

That is strange; never expected BD to stop stocking Bergantino.

I had an all Orange rig. It sounded stunning but it was FAR too heavy, more so the cabinets. The AD200b is a nice simple powerful tube amp. Warm, with a lot of bite if you want it. Personally, I think tubes are much more of a 6 string guitar necessity. Whilst they always sound great, I think they are more crucial to a guitar sound. A good quality solid state bass amp of say 500W with a high end gain pedal and you will get so close with a lot more headroom. Unless I toured with a band properly again, I wouldn't opt for a full tube amp for bass. I do however think the Orange solid state amps are worth your time. If they still made it, I would suggest the Bass Terror!

Oh that makes sense, so the higher range without any low end is going to the Katana? Can't see why that won't work!

Sire 5 string, or save and get a second hand USA Musicman.

[quote name='thisisswanbon' timestamp='1505808073' post='3374378'] Bought one new last year and it was a thing of beauty... Had a gripe with the nut being a bit shoddy but Ernie ball sent me 2 new sets of strings of my choice to compensate. About 3 months into ownership there were some gnarly intermittent issues with pick up phase, sent away for repair 2 times and returned unrepaired every time. They kept just re securing the pick up instead of swapping it out. In the end I got a refund and switched to a sandberg California II vt4 which is a totally different thing, but I was a bit soured on EBMM after that. [/quote] That really isn't acceptable. Sorry to hear that. If you are in the UK, the dealer should have made everything good for you, no matter what it took.