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[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1437813384' post='2829185'] Anybody watch this,what a dreadful programme, old men moaning about 'it ain't what it used to be' included Noel Gallagher. Inane questioning from Lauren Laverne, pitiful. [/quote] I never saw the programme. Were the "old men" really "moaning"? Or were they just stating the facts? The fact is, Rock n Roll aint what it used to be... and why should it? You'd expect to hear/see some changes in the 60 odd years that R&R (in the broader definition) has been around. [quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1437915884' post='2829927'] Because that's the rules. Rock n' roll has no rules. [/quote] Good answer!

[quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1437908255' post='2829834'] Why does rock n' roll have to involve a guitar? [/quote] Why does cricket involve a bat? Actually, in R&Rs early days a piano was often de rigeur.

By virtue of the fact that the 80's included this debacle means that the 80's win as worst decade, hands down! [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYFRFyvhGRY[/media] [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1436908667' post='2822035'] For a terrible live band from the 80s. IMO you would have to try very hard beat the awfulness of A Flock Of Seagulls. Lumpen, pedestrian, turgid synth pop churned out by people who didn't really understand musically, or image-wise, what it was all about; but were transparently desperate to be successful. Someone at their record company must have had a lot of faith in them (and a massive promotional budget), because it seemed that they would turn up as second support for every other really good band that I went see. I must have had the misfortune to catch their live act on at least 6 separate occasions, most of the time without realising that they were on the bill until I turned up at the gig. [/quote] I was touring the US in 1981, and who showed up as support at one gig (can't remember the city)? Yep, AFOS!

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1436385310' post='2817808'] [color=#800080]The musician is playing..? Pay him/her. The musician is at home watching TV..? Paid for what..? So no, the people that made the product should have already been paid for it at the start, not at every play/download/whatever.[/color] [/quote] OK, so as I understand it, Dad3353 is saying that all musicians, agents, managers, record company execs etc should be paid an hourly rate. I'm guessing that after these hourly rates have been paid, any profits goes to the state

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1436370859' post='2817615'] I think musicians should be paid for playing music, not for people listening to it. [b]1. One doesn't pay every time one looks at an artist's painting or sculpture[/b]. Live performance, fine; the audience pays. [b]2. Recordings should be paid for on a 'one off' basis.[/b] To me, all this stuff about 'intellectual property' is a scam. [b]3. [/b][b]Actors in films get paid for their performance, not for the folks going to the cinema.[/b] Yes, I was a professional musician for some years. It's become a cow for milking, imo, where folks get money even when sitting by the pool or doing their shopping. An unpopular view, I know, but there it is. [/quote] 1. if you want to look at an artists painting or sculpture in the comfort of your own home, then you most certainly will pay. 2. How much? And by whom? 3. Not true, many actors will negotiate a % of the box office.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1436205693' post='2815984'] From what I've read, he didn't like his tone either. Spent thousands of pounds and years of searching and never got it right. [/quote] Someone should've told him, "IT'S ALL IN THE FINGERS!"

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1436109069' post='2814997'] You're right, they're using the copyright loophole. As a consumer I want the best deal, and let's not be naive here, we're talking about rich rock stars, not lowly musicians. And by the way I hope you apply the same high-mindedness to all the child labour clothing you're wearing. [/quote] It's that same old "justification" for getting something for nowt that occasionally gets discussed here, and never fails to disappoint me on a musicians forum.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1436084932' post='2814752'] It's an odd and uncomfortable looking rant but for someone else to think it worth filming is equally weird. Is it for real?, all that arm waving on his way out looks a bit am-dram. [/quote] It's particularly uncomfortable as the gentleman obviously can't handle stressful situations well, and possibly suffers from a degree of autism.

I think Roger Daltrey was asking the same question!

On the subject of Paul Jackson, you might want to check out some of these Youtube clips with my old mucker and bandmate Jimmy Copley on drums. Some lovely playing from Paul, Jimmy & Char [url="http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paul%20jackson%20jimmy%20copley%20char&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=paul%20jackson%20jimmy%20copley%20char&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk="]Paul, Jimmy & Char[/url]

This is a very difficult question to answer! A lot depends on your setup. There are so many variables that usually compromise is needed. Are you and the band reliant on your backline to be heard? Or do you have a PA through which you all go? Either way, from where you're stood on the stage a "good mix" (as in overall balance) shouldn't be the priority. As a bass player drums should be clearly audible to you, particularly Kick, Snare & Hi-hat. You have to trust the judgement of someone out front, whether it's a FOH engineer or a friend that is at least a little knowledgeable as to how things should sound. A good sound and mix to you on stage will likely sound abysmal out front.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1435745747' post='2811981'] I didn't think that you were being demeaning or patronising, just expressing an opinion based on experience of having played in other parts of the world [/quote] Thanks Pete.

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1435744686' post='2811958'] I know you are a legendary bassist, but yet another one with the demeaning patronising comments. WHY IS MY OPINION RIDICULOUS AND SHORT SIGHTED, yet yours is so blindingly right? Don't bother to answer, it's rhetorical, I won't be back up here. Too many "I'm right, you are an idiot for having a different opinion" now frequent this forum. [/quote] Sorry if you feel my post was "demeaning" and "patronising" - certainly not intended. Maybe I should have added IMO, I figured that was a given. EDIT: karlfer, I'm not sure why you think that my post was personally directed at you, it wasn't! It was a general comment on what I see as a uniquely British attitude. And I would NEVER call anyone an "Idiot".

[quote name='stevebasshead' timestamp='1435666698' post='2811121'] Dunno who we think we are, telling bands when they should stop. It's a very negative attitude and to me, the easy option rather than suggesting how best they could continue instead. But that's human nature I guess, sadly. Are we not better than that? Leave 'em to do what they do 'make music', buy it if you like it, go see 'em if you like 'em, don't if you don't. It's not like they're causing us any personal difficulty by doing so. [/quote] It's an attitude that seems, to me, to be uniquely British. Thankfully, in most other countries, if a band has a good live reputation, or releases a great album, then yer foreign punter, regardless of lineup or age, will be interested. Not so here! We prefer our bands in their "heyday", after that, they should go away and retire gracefully! Most bands of a certain age and a developing lineup, while aware of their "heyday", will still think they have something to say and hope that enough people will want to hear it. To say that bands like Yes, The Who, Deep Purple etc should knock it on the head is, frankly, ridiculous and short sighted.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1435588928' post='2810318'] The Who may not be the band they were back in the 60's / early 70's. But they're a better proposition [i]now[/i] than when they were during during the Kenney Jones era. [size=3][b]1982[/b]: Worst Who Ever[/size] [color=#ffffff][size=3].[/size][/color] [/quote]Aint that the truth(?)!

"Penny Lane", a great song, but the real icing on the cake has to be Paul's descending bass line under the verse. I marvel at its beautiful, effective, simplicity every time I hear it. [url="http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=penny+lane&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=20986D3F3956BCA7F67920986D3F3956BCA7F679"]Penny Lane[/url]

[quote name='steve-soar' timestamp='1434999539' post='2804622'] [url="http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/latest/photo-news/photographer-hits-back-at-taylor-swifts-letter-to-apple-54363"]http://www.amateurph...-to-apple-54363[/url] Double standards? [/quote] Not at all! There's very little comparison.

If, by tone, we mean "eq" - then different amps and instruments (of reasonable quality) will have marginally different characteristics. However, once that instrument is strapped on and being thumped, those "characteristics" play a hardly perceivable part of the overall voice. Providing you have half decent kit in the first place, spending a couple of grand on a rig or instrument in an attempt at changing/improving your tone is money ill spent. Much better to spend it on a good teacher. Your "tone", "voice", (call it what you will) will be all the better for it.

Yep, got to be my 72 Precision. It's quite staggering that after all these years that that realtively basic of instruments is still held in such high esteem by young and old. They SO got it right!

Had the seriously good fortune of spending a few weeks recording an album with Tony Visconti in the early 80s at Good Earth in Dean Street. To say it was an education would be an under statement. A great man, and a great record producer. [quote name='Bassmonkey' timestamp='1433878649' post='2794845'] Marc Almond joining em apparently [/quote]Oh! And it was all sounding so promising!

[quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1433768456' post='2793748'] Otherwise like another said, it'll turn into a 10 minute blues funk mashing in E. [/quote] And what's wrong with that? If you're new to jamming, or playing generally, then there is an awful lot that can be learnt from "a 10 minute blues funk mashing in E"... providing everyone involved is up for it and keen to experiment. Maybe next time try it in G, A, C# etc. As confidence grows maybe throw in a couple of chord changes... see what happens.

This is our audio reqirements sheet, it may give you an idea of what's required. [url="http://www.manfredmann.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/MMEB-Audio-2015.pdf"]Audio Spec[/url]

Of course, it's all down to taste... Some have got it! Some haven't! I personally would never do pink, but... IMV pink with white plate looks ghastly! If you really want to get away with this shade of pink then, regardless of neck, the tortoiseshell plate is an ABSOLUTE MUST!

[quote name='Drax' timestamp='1429552326' post='2752539'] Hasn't live bass forever been a mixed bag? [/quote] Yep!

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1429538251' post='2752377'] But all of those issues can be solved by simply turning the bass frequencies right down. If it's a poor room, kill the bass. On everything. [/quote] If it were as simple as that this thread wouldn't exist and punters would have no complaints. Something worth mentioning: Some FOH engineers deliberately go for a mix with no definition, thinking "Hi-Fi is for the home, but for the live experience we need power and energy". EDIT: BTW As the OP mentioned Parliament Funkadelic and the O2 Academy, I am assuming that we're talking professional FOH engineers, and not the guy down the local Firkin whose only qualification is that he has the required number of fingers to twiddle a knob.