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[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1475165910' post='3143682'] Being born 25 later allows you to enjoy everything someone born in 1952 has plus an extra 25 years worth of new music, there might be a much better band than the Beatles in 30 years time! [/quote] Your experience of that first 25 years would be quite different than those that grew up in it and lived through it. Sorry, it's just the truth and I'm not budging on this one. Blue

[quote name='sbrag' timestamp='1475162100' post='3143620'] Question from me after my last band is am I expected to pay a joining fee to cover my share of lights/pa etc. Auditioned, liked it got the gig and was told I needed to chip in a week or so later. [/quote] Asking if there is a band fund is a good question. Personally, l prefer not to get involved with band funds. Once a band wanted me to shell out cash to cover part the cost of producing their CD, which I was not on. I told the BL to pound salt. Blue

Back in the mid 60s I was fortunate to live in very cool town 20 minutes outside of Manhattan. At the time the music scene was huge, all the kids in the neighborhood were starting up rock bands. I learned to play from; 1. Learning from my peers 2. Taking bass guitar lessons 3. Learning from old 45 rpm records and wood shedding 4.Hal Leonard Bass books It wasn't easy back in those days. Now there no excuse for sucking, with great on line tutorials (Scott's Bass), YouTube clips with isolated bass tracks and guys that show you all the right positions and notes to play. Find some other guys to jam with, learn how to improvise. If you end up really loving playing bass you'll catch on. One thing, make sure your bass has really good action and the intonation in check. Blue

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1474977704' post='3141963'] It took me 30 years to attempt to play with fingers rather than a pick. [/quote] It took me 30 years to attempt to play with a pick rather than fingers. Blue

I have to work hard just to stay average. But yeah, I'm happy with it. I have work, and I'm more concerned about that aspect of this bass guitar player stuff. Blue

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1475087844' post='3143005'] Absolutely not taking the pee... what on earth gave you that idea? I posted a US chart to illustrate the size of the leap from a US perspective - check out Terry Stafford singing suspicion. [url="http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart/19630905/7501/"]The UK chart in August '63 tells a similar story[/url]. A lot of those bands probably lost a career within weeks. Buddy Holly was fab, and deserves his place in music history, but... he wasn't a gang of scallywags. And could you imagine him tearing his throat up on I Saw Her Standing There...? 'Cos I can't. [/quote] I find Buddy Holly fascinating. If his career hadn't been cut so short and allowed to develop he would have been one of the best. Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1475094708' post='3143085'] Which is worse, that blazer or a friend of mine who had his own Star Trek uniform, you be the judge? We'll not mention the netting T-shirt over a white silk shirt with a red silk neck-scarf (with black polka dots) that I used to wear to Slade events for quite a few years - it went with the bass, it had to be done. [/quote] Oh yeah , and I have a brand new pair of black suede Beatle boots with Cuban heels that I ordered from a shop in London.They fit great. Blue

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1475078237' post='3142885'] the Beatles were also influenced by other artist and those artists were influenced by someone else, it seems like you are giving the impression, that the Beatles started it all, IMO that is, the Beatles were a bigger bang in the USA and they certainly opened the door for the 'British Invasion' and changed everything, especially in the States, but musically they were just a progression of what had been before [/quote] Agreed, but a significant progression. Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1475085430' post='3142967'] No chance of a feud Skank, like many others he can't help talking up his favourite band and it comes out as cr@p. Blue wouldn't be the first to do that here either - heck, incredible as it may seem I've been very close to doing so myself over the years When I was about that impressionable age I obsessed over Slade, they really were a case of "you don't [i]get it[/i]" for many Americans though it's documented fact that Lennon once stuck his head in the door when Slade were in Abbey Road and said "I like your singer, he sounds like me". But I grew out of that obsession long ago, though not before I'd had a Telecaster customised to be identical to Nod's, an SG Junior customised by John Birch to be identical to Nod's, bought Nod's own personal Hiwatt head & cab and had a custom bass built like Jimmy Lea's - but even I was realistic enough to know that they weren't the centre of the universe - even when I was eight. [/quote] I dropped a ton of $$ on made in Germany HofnerLimited Edition of the Club Bass with pre 1964 cavern club PU spacing. I also have and wear athe same tab cited military style blazers The Beatles wore for the 1965 Shea Stadium show. Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1475079596' post='3142900'] This - I've always said that I've always read every single post as "IMHO" but to make sweeping statements and to dress them up as fact is - as you say - counter-productive. [/quote] Very few facts, a lot of it is merely my opinion. And I have changed my opinion on some of these historicals regarding The Beatles. Blue

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1475078315' post='3142887'] To be honest, I don't know and must confess to a certain puzzlement myself in respect of the vigorous tone of certain posts. One cannot manage other peoples beliefs but one can certainly manage one's response to them. That said, while you are perfectly entitled to hold any belief you like it is possible that frequent repetition of that belief may be counter-productive. [/quote] Cool, I've actually learned a lot about pre Beatles rock and roll in the UK. I didn't realize my position and repetitiveness was so irritating to so many members. Blue

SkankDelver I'm catching a lot of heat here. It's just my opinion. Where am I going wrong? Are folks taking me to seriously? Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1475074067' post='3142828'] I've never encountered such entrenched fanboi-dom in one of such advanced years before, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable engaging with you. Your desperate need to have your heroes credited with influencing all and sundry to play guitar is quite ridiculous and shameful. Negating credit for other people's accomplishments was something that banning payola and resolving the royalty rights of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley and many others who influenced generations of players totally detached from The Beatles (regardless of whether you were aware of them or not) should be over and done years ago. [/quote] Engage me, I don't take myself all that serious. We're only talking about my opinions and I've been wrong in the past on some issues. Blue

Interesting, in a few minutes I'm off to Cream City Music to pick up my 1951 reissue MIJ Fender P Bass. I got a call from Ron indicating he completed my set up. The guy is great, heard about him through my bass teacher. Cream City is a fantastic top notch provider of up scale new and vintage guitars, basses and amps. Blue

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1474701425' post='3139890'] [url="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjtwrfjuqfPAhWmJ8AKHWsHA5oQtwIIJTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiyzxpvKlO48&usg=AFQjCNEOCSwFdAQzBEkcV003Sk3J_mIP2w"]http://www.google.co...cV003Sk3J_mIP2w[/url] Is that blue around 50 seconds in? [/quote] No, I was living in Southern Spain at the time. But I do like that Sports Jacket. Milwaukee is still talking about that show like it was yesterday. There's a local guy, a photographer who comes to my bands shows who was there and took tons of great professional pictures. He met Ringo a few years ago and gave him a lot of the photos he took. Last weekend when I arrived at Laura's Donges Bay, I was greeted by Bill and his wife and he handed me a white envelope. He said, "this is for you". It was a print of a one if a kind performance photo he took of Elvis in Las Vegas. Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1474672963' post='3139845'] No, it was a different bit, the [i]"you had to be there"[/i] is old even by his standards, but it's an oldie that he plays a lot, though not the classic that "You just don't get it" has become. The one I refer to is about how anyone that ever strapped on a guitar owes it to the Beatles, which must be a bit of a pisser for Hank Williams, Buddy Holly, BB KIng, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. After being pulled up about such a gross and repetitive overstatement by our Hiram, Blue later conceded that it was only a fact in his mind. [/quote] Strange as an American youth I was aware of The Beatles before any of the other Stars you referenced. Why? Keep in mind I was living in Southern Spain in 1964. Blue

[quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1474930965' post='3141672'] Are we taking fame or pioneers? The shadows (and cliff Richard) defined rock and roll in the same way Elvis did. And without those the beatles wouldn't have existed. I won't ever deny the impact the beatles had on the music we play, but I wasn't there so I don't really know what I'm talking about I suppose [/quote] I know John really liked Elvis. However,Elvis was not a band and I don't believe Elvis wrote any of his material. Blue

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1474933395' post='3141685'] the Beatles were far more influenced by American music as were the Stones than anything the Brits were doing, one of the great musical ironies is that the Brits took black American music, repackaged it and were able to sell it back to them, because they were white [/quote] I think Pat Boone ripped off Little Richard and sold Tooty Fruity to White teens in the States. I would think if you wanted to be cool and piss off your parents you would buy Richards recordings. I think there's a similar story with The Beach Boys and Chuck Berry. Blue

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1474667019' post='3139817'] You're excused, more out sympathy than anything else, due to your inability to even grasp the meaning of my quote that you quoted. In answer to your question, and since you also missed that point of mine; it stopped being an adult discussion when Blue, yet again, though continuing a strong tradition of his of several previous threads, stated that anyone who played electric guitar did so because of the Beatles - or something to that effect - based on his incredible pin-sharp and super advanced ability to detect professionalism at the age of 8 at a one-off concert when everyone else including the band themselves said the only thing they could hear clearly was girls screaming. [/quote] You may have picked up on the electric from other artists, however that artist may have picked up the guitar because of The Beatles. In other words that historical trail in most cases can be traced back to the Beatles. Blue

[quote name='grandad' timestamp='1474962095' post='3141750'] For you Blue. Think USA = The Ventures, UK = The Shadows. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tBzYcl7-8"]https://www.youtube....h?v=o3tBzYcl7-8[/url] Incidently, one group I play with still have a couple of dozen Shadows and Ventures numbers in our reportoire. Hank Marvin introduced the 1st Stratocaster to the UK and Jet, (the original Bassman), probably the 1st Precision. They were instrumental in firing up my generation into wanting to learn guitar and play in a band, and that includes just about every Brit lead guitarist you can name - Mark Knofler, Brian May etc, etc. This was my 1st LP, Xmas 1961, I still have it. [attachment=228717:Unknown.jpeg] You had to be there to appreciate the impact Hank Marvin's sound had. Can you imagine hearing a Strat' through a Vox AC30, with tape echo and a trem' bar having never heard anything like it before. You just had to be there! [/quote] Thanks Grand Dad Sounds Cool and agreed. Blue

I'm not big in compromising the Integrity of the headstock on any of my basses.However I think I'll bend on this one. I couldn't see the read out at any of my outside day time gigs on my Korg Black Cat. Blue

[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1475017947' post='3142416'] Yes. The band I'm in has a song selection policy which has become increasingly apparent as time has gone on: that is to say, if the singer suggests it, it goes in to the set. If anyone else suggests anything, it gets thrown out, unless the singer likes it, in which case it goes in. I don't think this is something you can question at the point of joining a band as it's an organic situation that evolves over time as inter-band relationships settle, especially if the band has a 'leader'. I wish I could've asked this question though, as the way things are I'm becoming frustrated and the first thoughts of a possible exit are forming in my mind, but that's another thread... [/quote] Might be a good thread; "How To Diplomatically Exit From Your Band" Blue

[quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1474999966' post='3142214'] In no particular order, the questions I suggest to ask before investing (time, money, energy) in ANY business: 1. Corporate structure - Boss and employees? Partnership? 2. Unique selling point (USP) - What differentiates you from the competition? 3. Cash turnover - The top line. 4. Business model - What's it about? Fun? Money? Self-esteem? [/quote] All good questions. This might seem like a waste of time exercise. However, I have seen veterans , guys that have been out there gigging for 40 plus years join the wrong band. All because they didn't ask questions and we're blind sighted. Like driving 3 hours one way for a $75.00 a man gig. Blue

[quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1474992021' post='3142130'] First thing I'd ask is "What music are y'all into?" I remember putting an ad in a few years ago for musicians for an originals band that was influenced by Funkadelic, Motorhead and Ornette Coleman. I got 2 guys turning up wanting to do Beatles covers! [/quote] Yes, what genre or kind of music the band plays would be first and foremost. For me business trumps genre. Blue

Gig to rehearsal ratio is a big one for me. For me if rehearsals are more frequent than gigs, that could be a deal breaker for me. Blue