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I've been to concerts of music by John Cage, Fred Frith, AMM, Globe Unity Orchestra and Cornelius Cardew amongst many others all which had the words 'experimental music' on the poster. The same year i saw concerts by the Yamashita Trio and Derek Bailey with no mention of experimental music on the poster. I'm still not sure how you tell even if it is on the poster but i do now (if i have the opportunity) to ask the performer if it experimental music before they start playing which often puts my mind at ease.

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1408893063' post='2534371'] I personally hope it turns into 'Pop' as in 'popular' - ie, stuff lots of people will listen to - rather than establishment. [/quote] Me too but not sure what establishment has to do with what i said which was established.

If you play enough experimental music does it ever become established and non-experimental music? Answers on the lid of a prepared piano please.

[quote name='basscell' timestamp='1408786215' post='2533419'] Disagree . Dolls House was very special, but Bandstand is at least as good, and the musicianship is superior. More conventional musically, but still very poetic and sincere. [/quote] Maybe it's because i first listened to all of these albums the week of their original release. After the first album a lot was expected from Family who for a lot of people (me included) never quite bettered those first two albums. The loss of Grech and King changed the band for the worse in my opinion.

Let's see those little beauties.........

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1408752241' post='2533296'] Errr, and Rob Townsend !!!! [/quote] Correct but my point was without Jim King and Ric Grech a major part of the group's sound had gone. Bandstand is a decent LP but sadly Family never got close to those first two LPs.

I've never heard of Paramore and try to avoid both Reading and Leeds.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1408704674' post='2532693'] I dunno if their age has anything to do with it, they just sound like a couple of tossers to me... I'd imagine they will still be tossers when they are middleaged. [/quote] +1

I don't think it has anything to do with age but more to do with manners and respect which are sometimes lacking in people of ANY age.

Whatever price it is it's certainly got some bass chatters excited. I've been out today, had a strum on my basses, been down the pub and had a curry.

I've always found it an interesting shop to visit. Like most guitar shops it has a small selection of basses compared to guitars but i've seen some really nice and interesting basses there over the years. I went there once a couple of days after their annual sale had ended to buy a mandolin they had on offer in the sale. The price had gone back the the regular price but when i mentioned i couldn't get down to them during the sale they let me have it at the sale price which was a very good result for me.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1408552085' post='2531306'] Well I was studying Stravinsky's Petrushka for O Level music at the time, so I suppose you're right! [/quote] That beats a bit of noodling on a Fender Rhodes any day!!!!!

In over seven years and 44 posts (with only a few actually concerning scams) in this thread it looks like it's actually not such a big bad world out there after all.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1408476825' post='2530630'] Got to disagree in my own case. In my impressionable years I was in to some pretty complex Jazz-Rock - John McLaughlin, Billy Cobham - all very clever, brilliant stuff but later on I started enjoying music much more for its entertainment value rather than the technical mastery (probably 'cos I never got good enough to do the latter) [/quote] I muist have been into some even more complex stuff back then because i always thought of jazz-rock as easy listening compared to most of the music i was listening to at the time.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1408462442' post='2530436'] What would I do, read a book, watch TV, go fishing, go to a movie. [/quote] Sounds good to me. After all, variety is the spice of life.

[quote name='redbandit599' timestamp='1408446895' post='2530167'] Now somehow this has gone arse about face - this should be above. Computers, send me a teenager now [/quote] I'm scratching my head to what that actually means.

On the subject of todays teenagers listening to 70s music i've often thought what my reaction would have been if after buying 'Freak Out' by The Mothers Of Invention in 1967 someone had given me this which was recorded 40 years before. [media]http://youtu.be/Dq9BlOfH5-I[/media]

[quote name='redbandit599' timestamp='1408444907' post='2530137'] I think there were always some kids who were into music, and some who were into other stuff. It may just have been a bit more obvious with the tribal clothing. The vastly increased choice and availability of music has changed all that I think, but maybe mostly it's down to the way that people/kids listen to music now. It used to be about something social, listening to and sharing physical records and CDs with your mates. You then had to sit in one place and take it in. With the advent of more mobile ways of listening more becomes more of an individuals soundtrack, and less of an event in itself. Though I suspect these things may be cyclical, once people rediscover the pleasure of sharing music in person I think things may swing back. When you sit on the tube there's loads of people looking zoned out with their earphones in, amongst them there's usually a couple of teenage girls sharing an earpiece each, they are the ones with the big smiles... I do miss the Tribes though, it's one of the things that's kept me going to Heavy Metal festivals and gigs. These still feel like a gathering of the clan. Well done to the Goths too for keeping it going! There's a couple of young lads in my town who have gone for the full on punk look recently, big mohawks, ratty painted leathers, tartan trousers, moodily sitting about and playing badly in a band in someones garage near me - awesome. Miss the Ska/Two Tone tribe too, that was fun for a while. [/quote] Excellent post. Couldn't have put it better myself. I'm sure that the kids of today have the same fun as we all did and that's great but i do think that listening to music is not as important for them. I'm sure it's enjoyable but it's just one of the many things that they enjoy. In the 50s, 60s and 70s all groups like Teds, Mods, Skinheads, Hippies all had their own music which was very integral to being in one of those groups. Nowadays there aren't those types of groups so music is less important to them even though i'm sure that they still enjoy it.

I saw Miles Davis when he was well in his 60s and he was the coolest dude i've ever seen on a stage.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1408408325' post='2529957'] Chart music, possibly. But in the intervening years there has been a lot more music produced over a baffling range of genres and sub-genres, and there are an alarming number of new songs being made available every day by various means, so there is less cohesion re tribal groups liking the same things as in the past and the charts reflect this... but I don't think that music [i]per se[/i] is any less important to kids now than it was then. [/quote] I really do think that listening to music is less important to kids today mainly because they have so much more to occupy themselves with. All of the lads aged between 18-25 that i worked with over the last 10 years had an interest in music but nowhere near the interest that i and my contemporaries had at that age. Gadgets to them are king. Queuing all night for a new iphone/ipad was not unusual.

Music, as in chart and popular music isn't as important to younger people as it was to teenagers in the 60s and 70s. It's the same with what teenagers wear today. No one will look back in 50 years time and comment on what they were wearing in 2014 because there are no rigid styles like there used to be when you had to be a Mod or Rocker, Skinhead, Greaser, Hippie etc. These things just aren't as important as they once were to younger people. While people in their 50s and 60 look back fondly on music and fashion todays youngsters will look back fondly on iphones, ipads, x-boxes and playstations.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1408392929' post='2529802'] I did once suggest to someone that they keep putting the price up, then anyone who wanted it would have to get in as soon as possible... [/quote]