BetaFunk

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1370982126' post='2108346'] The first 13 minutes may be a tough listen for some folk but then it gets much prettier. I loved this era of DiMeola (I saw this band at the Hammersmith Odeon - with the future Mrs. Baggins) [/quote] I saw him at Hammersmith a couple of times. Once sharing the bill with the Milton Nascimento Group. That was a bit special.

I wondered why The Beatles sounded like this to me. http://youtu.be/QBG2Fpg1x-Q Now i realise that i was playing the Fab Four's 45s at 78rpm.

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1371062212' post='2109414'] Not sure if I'm missing any sarcasm here but I think the dude sells postcards. Truckstop [/quote] ....and it's amazing how many items start at 99p but if you email them you can buy it for £1200. Funny that.

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1371054221' post='2109231'] That was always part of the ritual when I was a kid - any new single me or my brother acquired would go on the Dansette and after a few plays at 45 it would be auditioned at 33, 78 and 16 (yes 16) rpm. I seem to remember the Stones' Little By Little (B-side to Not Fade Away) was particularly good at 33. We had to make our own fun back in those days. [/quote] Yes, absolutely. Every 45 had to have the 16, 33 & 78 treatment along with us miming to it. Then if we were lucky we a got a piece of coal to suck. Not all of it mind. We had to share. Happy days.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1371051866' post='2109179'] Teddington [/quote] I lived in Hampton Hill. Perhaps they couldn't make up the hill. Thinking back though although it wasn't as big as punk, skinheads etc you're absolutely right there was a a good few Teds around Teddington, Kingston etc at that time. Not many in Richmond but i remember loads of them congregating around Kingston on a Saturday.

[quote name='thunderbird13' timestamp='1371051467' post='2109171'] meanwhile a view from across the pond : "Punk ain't no religious cult Punk means thinking for yourself You ain't hardcore cos you spike your hair When a jock still lives inside your head " Nuff said ! [/quote] Is that Keats? P.S. Sorry didn't read the across the pond bit. e.e. cummings then.

The only large number of Teds i've ever seen was at a Wild Angels gig in about 1970. It was like a Teds and Rockers convention. You couldn't move for drapes, crepes, bootlace ties and leather jackets with 59 Club badges on them (and if you remember that then your getting on a bit).

[quote name='thunderbird13' timestamp='1371051335' post='2109167'] Yes but was that not the chipshop where the guy worked who swears he was Elvis [/quote] No, it was the one where the Teds would attack the odd punk or two outside the chip shop while they sang 'pretty little angel eyes....Thud!!! pretty little angel eyes ...Thud!!! The 'Thud' bit is the sound of bicycle chain (the weapon of choice of the Ted) on skull.

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1371050952' post='2109162'] I saw hundreds of them...Frequently chasing me... [/quote] Where?

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1371049356' post='2109117'] I think it depended on where you lived. There was a major Teddy Boy revival in the early 70's,and there were a lot of nasty incidents perpetrated by them on Punks. [/quote] A major Teddy Boy revival? I remember seeing a few kids hanging around the local chip shop trying to look like Showaddywaddy in the 70s but can't remember a major revival.

[quote name='dlloyd' timestamp='1371040301' post='2108963'] According to Wikipedia, these are all "subgenres" of punk: 2 Tone Anarcho-punk Art punk Celtic punk Christian punk Cowpunk Crossover Thrash Crust punk Dance-punk Deathrock Digital hardcore Folk punk Garage punk Glam punk Gypsy punk Hardcore punk Horror punk Nazi punk New wave No wave Noise rock Oi! Pop punk Post-hardcore Post-punk Psychobilly Punk blues Punk jazz Punk Pathetique Queercore Rapcore Riot grrrl Scottish Gaelic punk Ska punk Skate punk Street punk Synthpunk Taqwacore Trallpunk Hmm... [/quote] Most of those are just genres that also use the word 'punk' that's all. For example Punk Jazz that happened in late 70s/early 80s has no connection to the UK version of Punk music whatsoever.

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1371038143' post='2108907'] You forgot the Folk-Metal! [/quote] Oh sod it, so i did. As i punishment to myself i won't listen to any Punk-Funk, Metal-Dirge, Garage-Beat, Folk-Funk, Classic-Garage, House-Rock for at least a week.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1370988733' post='2108465'] Maybe Don Letts has the answer to what is punk :- For me, punk still works on a day-to-day basis. It's an ongoing dynamic, and, if you're brave enough and smart enough, you can be part of it. I could have chosen an easy path and followed the herd, which is very much in vogue now. Instead, I revelled in individuality. [/quote] .....or maybe not.

[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1371020696' post='2108619'] It seems it was invented in 1980 to sell records by Bam Caruso. [url="http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/whats-on/music/coventry-freakbeat-still-being-celebrated-4029682"]http://www.coventryt...ebrated-4029682[/url] [/quote] ....and it has annoyed me ever since. The first time i saw the term was at a record fair in the 80s when a lot of people in their late teens and 20s were getting into 60s Beat groups vinyl. Within a few weeks every dealer had a Freak Beat section and started to talk about certain groups as 'Freak Beat'. It still annoys me but then i suppose that Classical music wasn't called Classical at the time either. Anyway i'm off to listen to some Metal-Funk, Rave-Groove, Prog-Beat, Beat-Funk, Fuzz-Rock, Thrash-Ska.

[quote name='Chiliwailer' timestamp='1370983820' post='2108377'] Late 70's Fenders carry a terrible reputation so can't go up too much, plus there are so many around. [/quote] All we need to do is convince all the owners and we're onto a winner but somehow i don't think we're going to convince either them or the buyers who seem to be queueing up to buy these basses for considerably more than they were when new.

[quote name='Myke' timestamp='1370992935' post='2108532'] Never heard of it [/quote] Good. That's one already. We can win this folks.

Of course i know when the term Freak Beat was first used but it annoyed me than and continues to annoy me. If you'd have used this term to describe a type of music in the 60s or 70s in your local record shop the men in white coats would have come to take you away. To me it's a re writing of history and the term should be banished forever.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1370988361' post='2108456'] Why not? You've had more than 45 years to do so! [/quote] That's exactly the point.

Self explanatory really but i still can't get my head around the term Freak Beat.

[quote name='Adrenochrome' timestamp='1370984445' post='2108387'] Well I was replying to Earbrass's question about The Stooges etc., all part of my musical experiences and development. [/quote] Sorry, it was feeble attempt at humour. It must be an age thing (i'm old by the way) but can't bracket The Stooges as punk at all. There more like the MC5, Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels or even Funkadelic but that may be that when i first heard them punk as we know it wasn't around. Great group though so who cares whether they're punk or not.

[quote name='Pete Academy' timestamp='1370979205' post='2108286'] Would something like that work today, especially with the amount of people playing instruments? [/quote] Are there more people playing now than then or vice versa?

[quote name='Adrenochrome' timestamp='1370955223' post='2107873'] Being a nipper at the time, I only discovered the Stooges, MC5 etc after the event. [/quote] Yes but did you discover any punk bands?

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1370953867' post='2107841'] "Fall Out" their first single was pretty punk. [/quote] Not really. Didn't think so then or now. You can hear every single word that he sings. P.S. Got to say though it's as punk as a lot of other stuff that people thought was punk at the time.

[quote name='dlloyd' timestamp='1370952629' post='2107799'] This is where it gets messy. In retrospect, The Police were not a million miles from some punk bands, but nobody at the time would have called them punk. Too mainstream. [/quote] I don't think it's anything to do with being mainstream more that The Police weren't punk. The Clash were pretty mainstream but were considered by a lot of people as punks.

[quote name='Wil' timestamp='1370949258' post='2107747'] Were Television considered "punk"? Because they were awesome. And what about Talking Heads? I always thought of the Clash as punk, Elvis Costello and the Police too, they were a league ahead of the likes of the Pistols in my eyes. I wasnt there though by quite a margin so it's just the impression I get. [/quote] I liked Television as a band but they were more the American take on punk. As for Talking Heads, Elvis Costello and The Police they were bands with really good musicians and were not punk. They all just got lumped in with punk until someone thought up the terms post-punk and new wave.