dave_bass5

Agreed (and i too had never heard of Dug, and dont care for his tone now that i do know who he is), but it's what else the pedal can do that would sell me. The videos being done by Tim have shown that although the SH1 seems to have certain tone no matter what, its one I can definitely get on with. I would never use the SH tone, but i quite like the Motown and Geezer tones.

No problem.They are really good, lengthy reviews and it nice to hear everything played with fingers, thumb and pick. I'm not looking at any more of your reviews so I'm safe for now. 😀

I said pretty much the same thing at the start of the thread, although i do understand he has now used it. I get the feeling they got the SH moniker by putting a load of P bass players names in a hat and Steve's name came out. Going by the demos they are all variations on a theme, albeit one thats been long overdue IMO. Im very interested in this but mostly for the two channel grain/ level, and I'm assuming the departure from the Ampeg tone.

Tim's got another one up on YT

MY drummer is very fussy and we would never hear the end of it if he didnt get to use his kit (not thats its anything special). Guitarist likes to use more than one guitar, as many as he can normally 🙂

Actually i just remembered. You press both large knobs down together to go in to bypass mode on the Stomp. Easy enough down with the foot..

Im not sure if there is a big difference between bypass and not having any effects on (assuming the Global EQ is off). If there isnt you can just turn any amp sim off using a foot switch. To me it seems a bit long winded to use bypass mode, as you would then have to turn it back on if you wanted to use any effects.

Yes, i wasnt really talking about me, more the guitarist and drummer.

Its an option, but if we didn't take out own kit it would end up a compromise, which i would want captured on video.

Was thinking that, but its a bloody long way to go.

Done. Considering how much you have cost me you are lucky that i did lol. Good luck mate 🙂

Thats a great way to sell the band. Ive been looking for a similar package down here in London but prices seem to be quite a bit higher.

That looks more like the Xvive 2 rather than the Boss. Be aware that that those type can only work on 4 channels, the Boss can scan 14 i believe. The downside to the Boss is you cant manually select it.

I've only noticed this with regards to my playing......

Owners manual now on line http://www.tech21nyc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/SteveHarris_OM.pdf

Actually you're right, most dont use that phrase. They do you the words 'neutral' and 'flat though. So if its not the manufactures using it, then it must be the end user's, so yeah, i guess it has become a buzz word rather than a true indication of something thats flat. As for those quotes, does anyone really believe things like those?

Ive used NS10's many times in recording studios. Very revealing speakers 😔

Which Stuido monitor? Is there one thats perfectly flat that they used? Who's 'flat' was it 😉 I didn't like my BB2 (or Retro 2 10). Very large low end, lacked mids. Saying that, i was more used to a more coloured tone so I'd say the tone just wasnt what i liked. I'm not singling out BF, just that i thought I'd mention it as it was brought up that manufactures do aim for a particular tone and the BF wasnt one i liked.

Thanks for all the replies, especially Paul who really made the effort. OK, buzzword was the wrong word to use. I just meant is it being used legitimately or as a marketing ploy. I’ve concluded that it is more a marketing ploy, but see why it’s being used. My point is that calling something flat or neutral is fine, even as close as possible, but then you try another ‘neutral’ cab and it sounds different to the previous one. So, as close as possible should IMO still sound the same across different makes of cabs. Cuzzie’s idea sounds more plausible, but then if one manufacturer makes a AFAP, it will only be limited to how the manufacturer sees it, so again, the next manufacturers AFAP will sound different I get that FRFR cabs have less colouration than other cab’s, and so do sound more neutral, but not flat. And this is my beef. I’m not interested in the science behind them, just the end result. Bottom line for me is there are different sounding cabs all labelled as flat or neutral, and with the marketing blurb that goes with this i think it’s a bit of gimmick.

This makes sense, as when i had a BF BB2 I felt it was anything but 'neutral'. But I'm still not getting it. So you are saying flat is anything the manufacture was aiming for,? Doesnt that more or less cover every cab out there? They all go through R&D so surely they all end up sounding how the manufacturer wants them to sound? Totally understand the complexities of doing a truly flat sounding cab, but dont get that certain manufacturers state things like 'Want to hear there true tone of your bass?', and yet they have designed a cab that sounds how they want it to sound, rather than a truly flat tone which would do what they promise. Sorry, not trying to be argumentative, I'm sure at some point the penny will drop, but i just dont get the cabs that are labeled FRFR are not FR.

But If the goal isn't met, why advertise it as flat?

How very dairy you.........

Yes, im beginning to think this.

Ive never owned an Expression pedal, so take this as coming from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, but with the Helix stuff there is the heel and toe areas. Maybe with is just different terminology but im guessing a pedal has to support these features for the Stomp to use them. If not then ill look elsewhere.