dave_bass5

[quote name='risingson' post='1317647' date='Jul 26 2011, 09:12 PM']A lot of misinformation flying round this thread [/quote] Like what?

Again, let me say I like the tone of the two pups full on. That's highlighted in my post above, where are you getting the idea i don't like it? Im not complaining, please can this be noted so no more of this derailing goes on.

[quote name='mcnach' post='1317305' date='Jul 26 2011, 04:49 PM']What I was objecting was to slapping a label "Jazz=scooped" categorically. I suspect we've all have heard Jazz basses and know all this... I guess it's easy to get caught up in semantics. Peace [/quote] But i wasnt saying that, at least not without qualifying the statement. From my earlier post: "Ive had a PJ but the problem there is you dont get a true Jazz tone as you only have the one single coil bridge pup, and [b]i like the slightly mid scooped tone of both pups on[/b]" So we both agree with the above, both pups on can give a slight scooped tone (im not the only one saying this), and ive said i like both pups on so it was the "this is just not true" opening line in your post that seemed confusing. Im no there to argue, just to point out i did say with both pups on and never meant to make it to mean anything else. Ive only owned a handful of Jazz basses, far less than most people on here but they all sounded different. The HW-1/one definitely had a lot of clarity and growl, were definitely the ones that cut through alot better than the others but lacked a bit of low end, the Lakland DJ5 was warm and solid, a bit too warm for me back then and the CV jazz is pretty close to the Lakland, although with the 74's in it was a nice mid punch to it. I also had 3 MIA's last year and these sounded just perfect to me, full and deep but with the articulation of the HW-1/one's, and these also had less of a scoop with both pups on.

[quote name='mcnach' post='1317235' date='Jul 26 2011, 04:01 PM']but that's just NOT true!!! they only have a scooped sound if you have both pickups fully on! In addition, the height of each pickup has a profound result in teh final result when both pickups are "fully on". Worth experimenting with that too.[/quote] what a confusing answer. Im the one who said they have a scooped tone and ive also stated i like running both pups on soooooo, yes it is true. :-)

I think part of my issue is i play with a pick so tend to loose that finger fullness, that probably accounts for thinner tone from some of the strings in my case. At them moment my only Jazz is the CV Jazz and it has a very warm tone and really doesn't cut through like my old HW-one and MIA so maybe its time i replaced it as i would love to go back to a Jazz bass.

[quote name='JTUK' post='1316789' date='Jul 26 2011, 11:11 AM']Don't understand this thread at all. Jazzes have a wider range than P-basses and you should have no problem getting on top of things.[/quote] True but they can also have a slightly scooped tone and this wont help getting through a loud busy mix, especially if your cabs are scooped as well. This is why im not keen on PJ's, at least not stock ones, as i love the deep tone the neck pup gets, you just dont normally get that smooth tone with a P pup IME.

[quote name='lanark' post='1316793' date='Jul 26 2011, 11:16 AM']he'd have been seen but not heard.[/quote] Isnt that how its supposed to be Seriously though, i would prefer to sit in the mix rather than cut through it, but then im really just holding down the song and giving space to the guitarist to do what ever it is he does.

I must admit ive never heard a jazz bass player that wasn't cutting through the mix. I do find i have to Eq my Jazz differently to my P to get the best of of them.

I keep going between Jazz and P. While i prefer the Jazz bass i find my D and G string get a bit lost in a band mix, especially up to the 5th fret. Playing a open D and a fretted D on the A sting gives me quite a different volume. Ive always found this to a certain extent and only on Jazz basses. EQ helps though and its not something that would put me off for life, its just something im aware of and is probably the one reason i stick to my P most of the time. Ive had a PJ but the problem there is you dont get a true Jazz tone as you only have the one single coil bridge pup, and i like the slightly mid scooped tone of both pups on.

[quote name='Wil' post='1315572' date='Jul 25 2011, 11:46 AM']I tell you what though, I do miss the portability of the 1212L sometimes for small, low volume gigs. The 410L, much as I love it, is overkill for a lot of situations with PA support.[/quote] Yeah, the size of the 1212L is perfect IME. 99% of my gigs are without PA support and ive never had to turn my head up past halfway, to me this means im loud enough (normally too loud gong by some of the recordings) so this has meant no need for a bigger cab. The biggest cab ive ever owned was a Epifani UL212 and that was nowhere near as loud as my 1212L, and i really had to push that do to the lack of punchy mids. This experience is whats making me a bit cautious about changing cabs, although the posts ive read recently about the Compact have put my mind at ease. In the past ive felt that as long as i can be heard without having to push my rig to distortion or too hard im happy, but now i realise i want a different tone and no matter how many heads i go through its the cab thats the restricting factor. Even if i do need to turn up more with a Compact im sure ill have plenty of volume but a more pleasant tone as well.

I always wanted a 410L but never really got around to getting one. I always thought my 1212L was ideal (and its worked really well over the past few years). i did borrow one for one gig and was very, very impressed with it. I preferred the tone over the 1212L, even when my 1212L was still in favour with me.

Thanks Lago. Ive heard a 410L and its not really as in your face as the 1212L.

Nice one Chris. Glad it worked out for you. Im probably going to go for one, its just working out the logistics of getting it. Im at a gig at the moment and my 1212L sounds so in your face, without sounding smooth or deep. Ive got both heads hooked up and the Streamliner is doing a better job, ive got the 660hz cut quite a bit as well as the lows but its not much better than the F1.

Cheers guys. Im not sure if we are a loud band or not. Im guessing we arent as i never have to push my head hard and whiel the drummer is loud its more cymbals rather thna pure power. It does sound like a Compact is the way to go though.

[quote name='nottswarwick' post='1312695' date='Jul 22 2011, 01:28 PM']Not sure I get that reference re the recommendations etc? However, it is working well so far. Needs gigging though. And I will only fully recommend it after this - otherwise it goes back under Alex's policy. We shall see,[/quote] Back in your what to get thread us non owners of the compact took a brief, slight bashing for recommending something we didnt own. Glad your happy with it Chris. It looks bigger than i expected. Thats a good thing i guess, and part of the reason it sounds (apparently ;-) so good. When is the first gig with it?

Dont forget to check the sizes. Sometimes the bridge pup is a bit longer than the neck pup. If your only going to buy one pup for the cheap bass make sure you get the right one. Also watch out for the fact that different makes can have the hot and earth wire colours reversed. Its not a big deal, just some thing to watch out for. If the volume drops when both pups are on just reverse the wires from one pup.

Does anyone have the TAB for these chords?

[quote name='Bottle' post='1311498' date='Jul 21 2011, 01:24 PM']t-did-twelve-bars-of-32nds[/i] kind of mentality and ego. And she's young, and has her whole career ahead of her to become 'great' - I think she's acheived a lot in such a short span of time already. Ian[/quote] ...and she has a nice right tit

[quote name='lobematt' post='1311432' date='Jul 21 2011, 12:36 PM']Got it, I'll give that a go next practice. Does is make much difference if you use it as a preamp?[/quote] One thing i will say is be careful with the Blend knob. Too much and you loose quite a bit of mid range.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1311298' date='Jul 21 2011, 11:00 AM']I must admit that UL115 is very tempting![/quote] My old UL115 was the best cab i ever played through. The only negative point was it didnt quite cut through at our bigger gigs.

[quote name='machinehead' post='1311038' date='Jul 21 2011, 12:27 AM']I've had my Compact for a couple of years now Dave. It has a less tiring-on-the-ears sound than the 1212L (much as I love the 1212L too) More weight to the sound, smoother and far more versatile than the 1212L. The Compact doesn't seem to go quite as loud as the 1212L, but it's close, and the sound is fuller and just lovely. Plus, it's lighter. You don't see many Barefaced cabs for sale and when you do, the seller is usually selling to buy another Barefaced product. I prefer a carpeted cab, but the Compact finish is proving to be fairly tough and I can always touch up the finish when it gets well worn. Best part is how other bass players are disbelieving when they see the size of the cab making all that noise. You know you want one. Frank.[/quote] Thanks for that post. It sounds like i "need" one, not just want one. Thats not how things normally work is it? Now the toss up is between a compact or OHM's UL115. I know what you mean about the 1212L being tiring, sometimes it sounds a bit to full on. i think i can get away with a cab that quieter although it will take some getting used to as ive been using 12xx cabs for 6 years almost exclusively. Chris. Hows the new cab?