dave_bass5

That must be really cool heading the whole band in ears, and with someone mix it. Assume you all get your own mix or are you sharing the same one? If the later how are you getting the different mixes? I’m starting to think i need to push my lot, but it wont be easy as it will mean money. At the moment I’m not prepared to take a feed from the desk as 1, i dont need to hear the singers, and 2, i dont want to distract them with my poor playing lol. My singer has a cheap G4M system, and I’m thinking ill get the drummer to use my Xivie wireless system out of her headphone out, in to my spare P2 clone. That way he has wireless and both will get the same feed. Our PA desk only has two monitor sends. One pre, one post, so we would need to upgrade the desk, as well as get everyone IEM’ed up. With no gigs booked that will be hard to sell to them. What are the smaller ZS10’s? Are these the old non Pro ones?

Pretty sure it only mentions mono twice as well. Still can’t see what the confusion is over the output though. It mentions stereo, no where does it say mono regarding the output. It shows power rating for two channels and the Aux in is stereo which passes through to the output. 😂

Ironically i threw out a Peavey power amp which was in a rack bag recently, and there was a stereo graphic in there as well. I’m carrying less gear these days then when i was playing bass, as i dont need to carry a rig, but it seems to be growing each month. Might get a 2U rack bag which should hold my leads and pedals as well.

I love the B1-four as it can be run off battery, but i also got a cheap Bluetooth receiver off Amazon so i could play my iphone (no headphone out) through it. It didnt cut down on cables as such, but once i discovered i could stream YouTube and Apple Music from my Apple TV, and use its remote, it made late night living room practice really enjoyable, especially as i also used a wireless system for the bass.

Yep, and using a TS (normal jack) cable and a stereo effect, summed to mono, is when you can (not always will, probably hardly ever if the using has been designed well) get phase issues. The best plan of action is to not use them if you can, or take time to make sure the sound is as expected/wanted if you do.

I went ahead and ordered it. Sounds like its a win win as i can send it back to Amazon if it doesn't do the job, which I’m sure it will.

Yeah, its mainly for bass and most of us don’t need stereo a lot of the time. As i said above i got mine for headphone practice, so stereo out was a must as i used to play my ipad through it. Thats how i know, but can understand not everyone will have used it like that.

Cheers again. I hoped to not go the rack route, and i wont be needing anything else in this form factor, but i need stereo and there isnt much around at the cheaper end of the market. I had the Boss EQ200 which was nice but i found it a bit tame and didnt do much for me. The Source Audio EQ2 looks amazing, but too pricy for what ill use it for. I’m just looking to tweak the rehearsal studios PA’s more than sound shape. We use 3 studios and each sound different. None sound good though. Obviously i can use it for gigs, but our PA is actually ok without it.

Cheers. That’s exactly what i wanted to hear. Its not as convenient as a pedal sized box but for the price i cant find anything close (other than cheaper and more expensive clones).

I haven't found any thing that says the B1 is mono either lol, other than the input. The output is even quoted as power per side in the specs. I don’t mean to come across arrogant or rude to you, i just cant see why its a sticking point when we can all try this out in a couple of mins. IME the manual does state stereo in the output section, and some of the FX are labels as stereo. We all know what manuals can be like. I’d just have though when i said it was stereo someone would have tested it rather than contested it and doubted it without testing it. It just seemed to be dragging on and on. Some of the Reverbs are stereo, although not labelled as such, but try the Stereo Chorus.

There is nothing special about a headphone cable, and you obviously understand what a TRS cable is, and you said, you have had a TRS to two mono jacks(?) so you have had the correct cable. 1. Your missing the point. Summing a stereo signal to mono can cause phase cancellations. This will happen at the summing stage inside the device before it gets out. I’m not saying this will happen with the B1’s stereo effects, but its something that can happen and you cant assume it won’t happen. The situation you mentions is exactly when it can occur. 2. There is nothing ‘might’ about it, its stereo out and thats that. I appreciate you are too busy to try it, and will keep with the doubt, but you have two units, you can prove me right or wrong using your once experience. Bi-amping!!!! No idea where that came from. Have you never thought that some might record using stereo effects, or use for headphone practice by playing stereo audio thorough the B1’s aux in, in to headphones? I’m sure thats a lot, lot more common than bi-amping. As you know i used to use my Helix and B1 for home practice, always on headphones, which i know others have also done (pretty sure you have recommend the B1 for this sort of thing more than once).

I expect more with your PA than on bass, but anyone got any experience with this EQ? it looks cheap, and ideal for my use for keys, not for PA use as such, but its hard to see any negatives just from a brochure. Not interested in any Behringer reputation/ethics etc comments, just asking those that have experience with this EQ, or the 31 band version, although I’m not looking to get that at this time. Cheers.

There is no way of access the left and right as separate channels unfortunately. The list of the effects only has a few with the name Stereo in it so most are mono (even though it DOESNT state i this anywhere in the manual either lol), but a few more are stereo as well. None have a left right balance control though.

But a headphone cable is a TRS cable. Its not above your ‘pay grade’ because your talk a lot about TRS cables, so you must know this?

Well ive never said it does, i haven't once mentioned the B1-Four specifically using stereo processing on its amp and FX sims, only that it DEFINITELY has stereo out. Its pretty clear from the spec its Stereo out. Let’s face it, anyone here that owns one can test this out rather than going back and forth about what is and what isnt in the manual. Its so simple to prove either way. Spoiler alert….of course it processes stereo. Why would they include stereo FX otherwise?

I too got to use my MX3’ pro’s last week, for the first time. Very strange hearing the band so muffled. Loved the tone i had in my ears, but apparently i was too quite through the PA. I told them to turn me up if they couldnt hear me, but no one did. I ended up using just one ear most of the night, which worked well. My singer is going to start using her’s for rehearsals, so ive suggested setting a spare mic up to capture the room and give a bit more of the band in her ears. She has never complained or mentioned it before, but now ive heard how much is missing i think it will help. Also convinced my drummer to start using a system like mine, as he does backing vocals, and although he can sing, he misses the notes quite a bit. He is too lazy to actually move a monitor closer to him, he just sits there all night and afterwards will say he struggled to hear his vocals. Some people need their asses wiped.

Thats say combined line and headphones, its not described as just a headphone out at all. So its a stereo out, and you obviously need a TRS with its two rails to get this. A headphone cable is TRS so its nothing sophisticated at all. A stereo (TRS) jack to two mono jacks gives you a stereo output.

Ive never intentionally run a stereo effect in to a mono rig, mainly as i didnt see the point, so i can comment on the B1 specifically. At home it will be in headphones so stereo all the way there. Its just a general warning that it can happen, and its more noticeable when a band are playing and suddenly the bass disappears on certain notes etc. By phase issues I’m talking about when notes cancel each other out because they are 180 out of phase with each other, just so we are clear.

Distortion can go a long way to fill out the tone. It can sound wrong in isolation, but mixed in with the band it can make a big difference, without sounding like you are using it. Even a lot of bass recordings sound ropey when isolated, but sit and fill the mix out well due to the extra harmonic’s and overtones and you’d never know they had dirt on them. Also the distortion will add a bit of natural compression as well. The way presence works on an amp is a bit different to just using EQ, as its normally working on the power/output stage i believe, rather than in the pre amp. So if you aren’t driving it hard its just like EQ, but when pushed harder it changes how it effects the tone. Be careful if using stereo effects going in to a mono rig. You could (under certain situations) end up with phase issues and that will make the tone sound weak in places.

No, not at all, at least not on iOS.

Ultimate guitar has an ‘official’ tab version, inc the bass tab. Cant say how accurate it is, ive never heard of the song, but i just looked it up. This is it. Looks pretty basic. https://www.dropbox.com/s/kq5pwuuzi8e9syc/dead boys.pdf?dl=0

I use a megaboom at home sometimes. B1-four in to it via cable. Lovely low end.

Cant go wrong with Amazon basics. Cheap and normally very well specified.

Seems strange that the headphone out was fine though. Probably (hopefully) a one off.

Doesn’t sound right at all. Obviously you can go over the top with the settings, but ive never found it problematic with normal settings, even with my Sire V7.