Old Man Riva

3 hours ago, mentalextra said:

Not really any help but wouldn't it drive you mad watching vids of people covering your work and knowing they were all wrong. How do Pino, JJ etc resist making a definitive lesson and potentially having a very lucrative youtube channel? 

There’s a clip somewhere on YouTube of the excellent Derek Forbes of Simple Minds playing I Travel, just to show us how it’s done...

It looks as though cold drinks may have been taken prior to the recording of the clip!

8 minutes ago, alyctes said:

I don't like any of them.

Then you've not heard 'Go For It - Sky Blues Shooting to Win', the Coventry City squad song for the 1987 Cup Final.

Simple in its message, with a positive narrative, urging the underdog to "go for it". Hugely helpful, it chose to include a helpful (and none too subtle) assumption/assertion that, when the Sky Blues were shooting, they were actually doing it to win.

And win we did.

Was it down to a team of few stars playing above themselves against a team of genuine superstars (Waddle, Hoddle, Ardiles et al) in what is arguably the greatest Cup Final of the modern era or was it down to the song?

I know what I think... 

1 hour ago, pete.young said:

 

Back Home, 1970, is still the best.

Channeling my best Ron Manager, “Back Home; Esso coins, dad getting the petrol; Banks upset tum; Bonetti the cat; Uwe Seeler; broken dreams; best England team ever; jumpers for goalposts; hmmm, Wembley Trophy football...”

Yep, definitely Back Home! 

If there's a finer track to recline to on a steamy Sunday afternoon I'd love to hear it... 

That clip is from the Old Grey Whistle Test. Great stuff.

There was also an excellent documentary on BBC4 a while back that charted his rise and then decision to stop performing, which was equally great. He came across as a wonderful human being. He fought a lifelong stammer and did/does a lot to help younger people with the same condition, which featured heavily in the programme.

On a musical note his 1973 Live at Carnegie Hall album features pretty much the same band as the clip, I think, and is well worth a listen.

8 hours ago, Daveyboyrooster said:

Pardon my ignorance but shouldn't there be a 'paint stick' mark in the neck pocket?

Stick/stick mark was 1962+, so the neck pocket is as it should be.

It’s an amazing looking bass - a stunner!

GLWTS 

I remember a mate doing me a copy of this album on a trusty TDK D90 when it came out nearly 30 years ago.

I couldn't stop playing it, and played and rewound it time and again. To this day it still ranks as one of my favourite albums - it's otherworldliness (?) put me in mind of how I felt hearing Bowie albums in the 70s or Prince in the early/mid 80s. It all seemed so far away from the traditional sound/production I was used to hearing.

7 minutes ago, pst62 said:

Featuring the very much overlooked Leeroy Gorman.

 

Really like Bow Wow Wow - there was a BBC gig from Sefton Park (I think) back in the day that blew me away at the time.

As I recall it a Wal bass was being 'strummed/slapped/picked/strangled' to within an inch of its life for most of the gig.

Fabulous bass player.

Had a Donald Byrd day...

Which has featured two of my favourite four-string fellas, Mr Rainey and Mr Felder.

You’re not losing sleep then... that’s good!

The ‘66 Jazz is a really nice bass.

The neck is lovely on it and the bass sounds great - that said, I don’t think I’ve played a ‘66 dot and bound that I didn’t really like.

I think it suffers from what you say - it’s been around for a while and has become part of furniture.

On 19/05/2018 at 14:00, Bassassin said:

I've played a few overpriced disasters, inckuding an MM Bongo that played & sounded worse than the bog seat it resembled.

The stand-out however was a Fender Custom Shop Jaco sig - a £3500 bass with a neck like a banana and an action you could stick your arm under, and strung with roundwounds as rough as rat-tail files. I'm sure a good setup & some more appropriate strings would've helped sort it, but it still would probably have sounded more like someone whacking a plastic bin with a 2x4 than a high-end Jazz!

For basses where you’re paying a premium and expecting top quality in return I’ve played a few Fender CS basses that've been properly horrible.

They've tended to be NOS ones, strangely enough, rather than the relic jobs. A mixture of rotten set-ups, poorly finished frets, necks like bananas (as referenced above) have all been present on expensive instruments. 

In the spirit of fairness I’ve also (mostly) played some lovely Fender CS basses but when they get it wrong they really get it wrong. 

I’ve convinced myself I remember that bass also!

If you’d gone for it at the time and still had it, the way prices have gone in the past year for vintage instruments, you would probably be sitting on a profit now (not that they’re there for that reason, IMO).

I’m aware that’s probably not going to make you feel any better, btw!

They’ve had a ‘66 dot and bound Jazz in there now on a commission sale for a good few years that’s been up at the same price all along. It was over the market rate when it was first put on the wall but now I reckon it’d be seen as a bargain, for want of a better word, as values have rocketed.

If it’s any consolation I wished I gone for the ‘64 P-bass at the time. First world problems, eh... 

The Gallery had a 1964 Precision about 5-6 years ago which was one of the nicest basses I’ve ever played.

The neck was nicely played in and seemed a little narrower than early 60s Ps normally feel, and the sound was gorgeous. It was strung with flats (not sure which brand) which I believe had been on there for many years.

It was light in weight, worn but not battered and the tone pot still gave you the full range - in short it was stunning.

It was expensive (even then) at £4k, but whoever bought it would have had a stunning bass.

12 minutes ago, Frank Blank said:

Your good lady wife is right on the money. I was musing on this a while back, Crass - Sleaford Mods, anything in between is mostly irrelevant.

I think she'd broaden it out to include Steel Pulse, Slits and X-Ray Spex, but, aye, that'd be similar to her starting point... 

Mid-50s and still wants to change the world... and there's nowt wrong with that.

The good lady wife reckons Sleaford Mods and Young Fathers are the best thing since sliced bread (and/or Crass).

I'm too scared to disagree... or play Weather Report within earshot.

When Later first aired over 25yrs ago (pre-internet/YouTube etc for most of us at the time), for me, it was like a breath of fresh air in terms of being able to see live bands on the telly.

It gave music fans the opportunity to see bands/performances that we wouldn't otherwise have access to.

So, in the spirit of the above here's something that blew me away when I first saw it in summer 1993, and still does, in fact...  At the time I think it was one of her first live appearances after Debut came out.

I love the song, but this version, to my ears at least, is the best live version I've heard to this day. Captures the original and adds that little bit more. And I was (and still am) intrigued by the bass/guitar (?) that is used as a percussion instrument by one of the keyboard players.

Anyone else got any standout moments from Later?

1 hour ago, jay-syncro said:

Thanks for the info. I think the mini toggle is indeed a passive switch in the middle position (as it works without the battery in this position), but then it has a further TWO options to select. I guess it offers preamp boost at different frequencies potentially? Ah yes, I've been able to get the wah type affect. So yours was a three knob variation? I think mine may be an expanded variant with two frequency sweep-able controls then potentially? 

Yes, it was the three-knob version I had. I'm fairly sure that the mini toggle switch was only two-way on the one I had (active/passive), but can't be certain. I can now also remember that I had to send the first one back (a really lovely purple-y/red finish) due to the electrics being really noisy/buzzy.

The pic that Bassassin has provided is the one I was referring to with the Wal/Aria style headstock.

As I say, it was a really nice bass and, whilst not massively cheap, was an excellent value-for-money active bass at the time - the black finish ran all through the bass from body to headstock and looked lovely.

And don't get lost doing that wah type thing..!

I had one of those (in black) in the 80s - wanted an active bass and they were a great buy at the time vs. other options.

It’s a long time ago but I seem to recall that the small silver switch was an active/passive switch. With regards to the knobs, there were volume and tone and then one (I think) that panned through various EQs (not all of them usable). If you were dexterous (daft) enough you could almost get a wah-wah effect by panning the knob whilst messing around with your fretting hand - again, not really very usable, and I imagine not what Mr Washburn had in mind when he put in the hard hours designing it.

The prototypes/first runs had the tuners either side of a squarer headstock, a la Wal. 

Thanks all, really helpful.

If I didn’t have to work for a living I reckon I’d set myself up as a Fender detective - solving the ongoing riddles created by Leo & co. Either that or be a “full-time dreamer”... 

Anyway, for anyone interested in Fender(s) I got this today, which is really well worth a look... Informative, and some great pictures.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/fender-golden-age/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Afender the golden age 

2 hours ago, therealting said:

Perhaps the owner at the time thought it would protect the wood or something. Not all owners are vintage minded - the previous owner of my 64 Precision had the body replaced with a plywood one and also had a REALLY bad refret done (some of the higher frets were done with two separate pieces of wire...)

That’s a possibility. A guy I knew many moons ago used to make a plastic cut out to screw on the back of his basses to protect the finish - essentially they covered pretty much all of the back of the body to protect them from his belt, buttons etc. when playing.

Did it on both of his Fenders, a Precision and a Jazz. Didn’t occur to him that he was devaluing the basses. Why would it? 

Even back then (and doing it for the right reasons) it did seem a little extreme, mind. It also looked horrible! 

2 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Haha, he wanted it for a tour. Lovely bloke, very talkative. Was in about 2003 I think, can’t remember. I’ve had all sorts of gear in and out of my place.

The bass was lovely but the tracking on the synth unit a piece of crap. 

Would have liked to have kept it but it was all flight cased too, so massive!

Always liked Phil Oakley, just seemed really genuine in interviews back then/now. His band weren’t bad either.

Re. the Roland bass. I seem to recall Art of Noise using one on a TV prog (the Tube?) in the 80s. For their version of Peter Gunn...?!

2 hours ago, GuyR said:

In Black & Molinaro's excellent "the Fender Bass - An Illustrated History" it says "The black cushion under the plate is found throughout the 1970s and some of the 1980s"

not very precise but hope that helps.

Thank you, sir, really helpful.

I can only think the neck-plate I saw on a ‘68 P-bass was a replacement done at some point during the time you reference above.

Which then makes me ponder why a neck-plate would need replacing... 

Fenders; so many questions!

Does anybody know when Fender added the plastic trim to the metal neck-plates on their basses?

I thought this was a mid-70s+ thing but I saw a late 60s P-bass recently which had a neck-plate with a black plastic surround, which led me to ponder for way too long on when they introduced them.

1 hour ago, Burns-bass said:

I sold one to Phil Oakey of the Human League fame.

Hard Times?! 

1 hour ago, dwh87 said:

Looking like June for these to finally make it across to the UK. 

Wunjo have one in at the moment...