Firey Jack

[quote name='sykilz' timestamp='1442411601' post='2866776'] I find also that the compressor on the TC gear is pretty good from off 0 to about 4 ( out of ten), after that it gets a bit ploppy, but in that range it rounds out your sound and gives a bit more punch, on my BH500. [/quote] Agreed - I've found I've always needed to watch how much I crank up the compressor and that there's a real optimum band - it's hard to decribe the result of too much, but ploppy is the best description I've heard! basically It sounds sh*t to me

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1442405214' post='2866677'] Good news. What 12 did you go for? Are you still using the 2x8? [/quote] I used the 12 in an old Ashdown combo. I've got a TC RS112 on order which will be here for next gig week on Sat - excited about that! Still using the 2 x 8 - hoping to replace this with another RS112 eventually - costs permitting

Just wanna say a big thanks to all contributors to this topic for all your help and support - took all your advice on board - ditched the Trace 15" and replaced with a 12", raised everything up, cut the bass, boosted the mids, checked the guitarsists EQ and got them to cut their lows. Worked like a charm - gig on Sat was just fantastic - clear as a bell, felt really great - I play so much better when I can clearly hear what i'm playing! NO COMPLAINTS from the singer - couldn't chuffing well believe it - was waiting for him to say something but when he didn't after about 10 songs I eventually came round to the idea that I might sound OK to him There's still a part of me that wants the floor to vibrate more, but I know I need to let that sh*t go... Thanks again!

[quote name='gapiro' timestamp='1441692882' post='2860837'] Unfortunately you have to accept that what sounds best for the punters is more important that what sounds good for you sometimes [/quote] Thanks - I do accept this (I think) that's why I go out front at sound check to reassure myself that the muffled, indistinct and almost inaudible muddy sh*te that I'm hearing on stage sounds better out front - which it usually does to be fair - whilst I can bear this in mind on stage, I still don't enjoying playing under these conditions, I ain't really in it for the money and so what's the chuffing point? - apart form getting out the house

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1441690274' post='2860830'] +1 Having used a variety of 15 loaded cabs over the years I've noticed that older/cheaper 15s are usually very poor at producing a sound that allows your ears to resolve what notes you are playing even at high volume levels so I'd definitely ditch the trace. If you do get the new TC cabinet I would use it on its own angled upwards as others have suggested then you should get a more coherent sound and hopefully be able to dear what you are playing better. For angling the cab try something like this [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stagg-Foldable-Monitor-Floor-Stand/dp/B000YL952E"]http://www.amazon.co...d/dp/B000YL952E[/url] [/quote] Just getting the hang of this quote thingy Thanks for this - I tend to agree - my gut tells me the 15" is a big part of the problem, but I'm not sure. I have another option - I have a 180W Ashdown 12" combo - might use this as a cab instead of the 15" Trace. I could still stack it on top of the 15" tho, to increase the height - that will really wind the singer up

I think the singer is paranoid that an overpowering bass will mean he'll struggle to sing in tune with the guitars - this has happened a couple of times, but I argue that's because the guitar levels and EQ were at fault, nowt to do with the bass. Both guitars have turned down recently, cos they were bloody loud, so he's even more paranoid now - I might suggest the guitars need to go up a tad, but I'll try and make sure their EQ, as has been suggested, stays off my frequency territory!

Wow, thanks everyone for all the advice. I use a 30 ft lead so I can go out front.and check. I do have a mish mash of gear that doesn't seem to suit the rh450 - the 2 x8 is the cab from a the Tc bg250 208 combo with the amp disabled if that makes sense. What I'd like is an RS212 but costs mean that's gonna come as 2 x RS112s over time - at Thomann amazingly it's cheaper to buy 2 x 112s than 1 x 212! I like the idea of using a single cab so I may just use the 115 if I can elevate it somehow. My idea of the 2x8" and 1 x15 together was some half arsed notion that different driver sizes will give me a nice balance of sound sort of but that doesn't seem to be working for me...

Thanks Rushbo and Mykesbass - that's kinda my experience as well - the worst gigs for me are when it sounds plenty loud out front but I can hardly hear anything on stage - really frustrating and baffles me a lot of the time - seems to be very venue dependent. I'm not too worried about the tone I hear, but for me to play well I need to hear as much articulation, if that's the right term, as possible. Last night, cos of all the dicking about I did it sounded really muddy and indistinct - I suspect it was plenty loud out front tho but

A case of all the gear and no idea maybe - well some of the gear, anyway

Cheers everyone! I had no idea driver size had no bearing on frequency -I'd just assumed bigger drivers give more bottom end. Anyways, we have another gig this Thurs in big hotel function room - not much time for sound check, but I'm gonna try and implement suggestions, apart from stands - I'm gonna set the rig up higher tho, think that might help a bit - I've learnt a lot already today - thanks again!

Thanks a lot everyone - much appreciated. I will try all your suggestions. Lurksalot that sounds like exactly what's happening - there's not much point in me messing with the settings in isolation because as soon as we're playing together, all bets are off - I react to be heard and sound boomy - 15" cab dont help this - and we get the problem.

Please help - I play in a 5 piece covers band with 2 guitars, vox, drums. I love playing in the band but there is a huge problem developing for me sound wise - the singer is forever asking me to turn down, even when I can already hardly hear myself over the drums and guitars and I'm considering turning up! This really pisses me off - if I can't hear myself I find I naturally work my right hand harder to try and be heard - this morning after last night's gig my fingers are red raw. I'm seriously considering quitting because there's no pleasure in it for me getting on stage playing a bass and hardly hearing the result. I have lots of respect for the singers views - he's experienced and his views on sound are often really insightful - this makes it worse. But I do think he's over reacting a bit maybe because a couple of times when the guitarists have got their sound wrong, he's not been able to pick up the note and ended up singing off key, because he can only hear bass and drums. As we all know, the guitars cut through everything and they've recently reigned themselves in a bit - this could be contributing to the problem. Still hear them loud and clear tho! I'm not sure, but I think I just need to get my sound right I think so it cuts through without sounding too boomy maybe? I dunno. I have a Jazz bass with a TC RH450 driving the 2 x 8" speakers in a TC BG250 208 and a 1 x 15" Trace Elliot cab. I'm changing this for a TC RS112 asap. I've been dicking about with the RH450 settings for weeks but with no real joy. I boost the bass and cut the highs a small amount, low gain and tubetone, middling amount of compression but I'm pretty clueless about that tbh. ANY experience shared, advice guidance etc VERY gratefully received. #Thanks