DoubleOhStephan

See, this is what I think I need to change. I always measure, have about 2" of play, cut, insert and wind. It's the cut and insert bit I'm going to change I thing. I'm going to try lying the string in the slot, give a little less play, tune then cut the excess.

I've always fitted strings the same way, didn't know there was another way, its never occurred to me that I was doing anything wrong, but I guess this makes sense. I'll give it a try when I next change my strings.

Do you happen to remember if he said why? I also cut and tuck, and can't think what the benefit is, unless it's to guard against cutting too short by accident?

Oh? Ok Understood. OK. Got it. If I've been a little short with you I apologise. I may have also assigned politics to you. Again, apologies.

I've tried to include and respond specifically to his actual quotes, so I hope I'm not misquoting him. I may well be misreading him. I'm certainly reading into what he's saying, assigning motive, reasoning, logic how it aligns to my own understanding or beliefs. I don't know mate, we're communicating via tiny screens in type. It's almost impossible to be understood at the best of times and seemingly infinite ways to be misunderstood.

Are you able to share what it's changed too please?

You said By this logic, if pretty much all policies which have a detriment can be traced back to UK policy, only the UK has introduced policies that are to its detriment. This means, quite helpfully for EU proponents, that the legislative policy makers at the EU are absolved of any responsibility for any detrimental outcomes.

Found it, it was in a statement from the Home Office in this article - "But the Home Office says it does allow the self-employed to work on events for up to a month. It states: "The UK's existing rules permit artists, entertainers and musicians to perform at events and take part in competitions and auditions for up to six months. They can receive payment for appearances at certain festivals or for up to a month for a specific engagement, without the need for formal sponsorship or a work visa."

I'm not in the know, but I've read the policy. These are the two relevant points. I believe the £244 fee relates to Teir 5 which is for 12 / 24month visits. I'm sure I read somewhere that the 6 month visit includes 4 weeks work, but I don't have that to hand. 21. Under the current immigration rules, there are a range of other immigration routes for specialist occupations, including innovators, ministers of religion, sportspeople and to support the arts. Our broad approach for January 2021 will be to open existing routes that already apply to non-EU citizens, to EU citizens (the current ‘Tier 5’). Other routes 23. In addition, we will continue our generous visitor provisions, but with simplified rules and guidance. We expect to treat EU citizens as non-visa nationals meaning they can come to the UK as visitors for six months without the need to obtain a visa. We will also unilaterally allow EU citizens to continue to use e-gates, but we will keep this policy under review. There will be no change to the arrangements for the Common Travel Area.

Ahh right, so only the ones detrimental to the UK come from the UK policies. *skip*

Ahh I see, we can trust our elected representatives to make the right decisions in the UKs interest when they're sat in Brussels, but not when they're sat in Westminster. Maybe, that's certainly an opinion on the subject. I have no informed opinion on the matter, so will keep my own council. But, as you know, I didn't bring up fishing and was simply addressing the question of public awareness of that issue vs the musician visa issue. I'm not really interested in playing games either. Irrespective of whatever example I give, you would claim to have greater insight and assign ownership to the UK. It does strike me as somewhat unlikely though that, every single legislation passed by the EU, all the directives, regulations and decisions, were actually made first by the UK and that Brussels is just pretending to be a legislative body and is taking all the credit for the UKs work. It also seems hugely inefficient (both cost and time) for UK to go through the rigmarole of having any legislation they'd like to introduce first go through multiple layers of EU bureaucracy. Not to mention the increased risk of having it blocked by any one of the other EU countries whi may have a vested interest.

Which reaction are you referring to, there have been a variety? What if the EU introduced regulations that impacted the construction industry?

Probably because the issue over fishing territory has been ongoing for decades and people have been campaigning to challenge the EU rules for as many years. This work visa issue has only come to light in the past few days.

No one knows what's going to happen, but you know it's going to be bad..? We can do more than hope, we can support the unions to give them the best possible chance to secure the best possible outcome. That may need to be a compromise, it may fail completely, but it moves the needle on the Chanceometer from No Chance to Skin In The Game.

Ditto 🙂 100% I'm not making a defence of the gov actions or outcomes, but all people get things wrong all the time. We're all trying to predict the future and consider every possible eventuality, this often leads to missing the obvious. No, they don't see the big picture. They can't. They have no real insight into any industry, let alone the arts. That's why it's important for the unions to keep an eye on them and take the correct action as and when needed. I offer no special insight, but I tend to disagree about public outcry. There are plenty of musicians and actors who are very keen their political views are aired for public appreciation, I think they'll be lining up to take an opportunity to make their feelings against the gov known. That alone may be enough to get a tweek to the concession. Going viral would help massively, reading twitter seems to be what passes for journalism these days so that gets it into the news. And so on... I don't call it doom and gloom at all. There has clearly been a problem flagged up and it warrants investigation, we need to know exactly what's going on. Building a reactive system is conversely a proactive exercise. It's ability to react is only as good as the predictions being made and processes in place which dictate action in the event of a forseen issue. It's the unforseen issues that cause the problems. People can't predict all possible outcomes, the future is just too unpredictable and very often, the most obvious gets missed.

@Cuzzie your Windrush reference is certainly hits at the emotive heart of the subject of freedom of movement. As my wife's family is 1st gen, I saw first hand the deep hurt it caused the Caribbean folks and that, it was the rejection after being invited that was one of the most insulting things. I think it's fair to say that, everyone agrees that the Windrush scandal was a national disgrace and that those who represent us in gov made a huge and outrageous mistake. Quite rightly, there was public outcry, the gov owned up, was full of apologies, changed the policy and agreed a £200m payout. That makes a very clear statement. It's another example of the gov changing policy after a direct order from the public. It's pure people power. How that relates to musicians is I think, by demonstrating that if a community of people get together and petition the gov, (especially now as the post 2021 immigration policy is still a work in progress), the gov could be made to improve on the concessions for artists. My reading of the situation is, that's exactly what the musician unions etal are planning for. So far, they have only asked for clarification on a point in the policy. I would be confident that, if the unions don't get an answer they like, they'll go into proactive mode and will start garnering support to petition the government to change the policy. I feel like this is a solvable problem. The unions have enough public support to be able to drum up plenty of signatures to get it debated in parliament.

Out of interest, do you require a work permit to work in the US?

You do understand that I'm not an expert on the British agriculture industry? Either way, diversification and/or specialisation seems to be the current order of the day, farmers are already changing their business models to adapt to the changing times. Plenty are already doing it very successfully, plenty more will follow, plenty of others will fail. Ok

I don't mind. I've already said what I think will happen, the whole global trade deal thing with the US & Asia, the collapse of the bloc and eventual end of EU. Its a loss of a privilege, you still have the right to live and work in Europe. Asking for permission isn't a bad thing.

Yes, and as I've said, this appears to me to be a short term problem. It's not a removal, you're free to go wherever you like. If people in the EU would like to work in the UK, they can, that's absolutely fine, they'll just need to get a visa first.

Yes I did... I expect most with diversify, lots are already doing that. Prehaps specialist breeds or something?

As I said, this isn't removing or reducing standards. The efficiency is made by reducing bureaucracy and all costs associated with that. Its exactly the same principle as your complaint about visas. An increase in red tape (special visas) means increased bureaucracy (to process the paperwork), meaning increased costs and slower turnaround time. Remove the special visas and you instantly reduce the cost of bureaucracy. It may be semantic and I'm sure it's fundamentally flawed, we are talking about predicting the future which is fundamentally flawed concept. I don't think it's anti-globalist, I've been trying to describe a global trade network between the UK, US & Asia.

Now now, we must strive to attack the argument, not the man. Less red tape means increased efficiency, not lower standards. Its another excellent reason why the EU will be too expensive and ultimately collapse, they're too inefficient, so too slow and too expensive. I expect most with diversify, lots are already doing that. Prehaps specialist breeds or something?

They may not. But, the UK economy is a up in there with biggest in the world, they should be able to negotiate far better terms than smaller non EU countries. Their alternative is to buy from the EU, so, assuming the UK is able to sell US goods to cheaper than the EU can sell its goods, the UK economy wins. And Asian made. Because they are the richest countries on the planet. So have the most money. Well, they make some pretty good technology and we are in the digital age, so there's that. As I say, in this version of the future, the UK has left the EU so that's not an option, but also this precedes the inevitable collapse of the EU, so not really the ideal trading partners.

The EU doesn't have a trade agreement with the US. The UK is the first of the EU countries to be in a position to negotiate terms which are better than the current WTO terms. Being first is a clear advantage. This deal will enable the UK to buy US produce far cheaper than the EU are able to. The UK could immediately start trading US produce with non-EU European countries, undercutting the EU. That's another clear advantage. Once other countries start to leave the crumbling bloc, they will immediately need and want to set up deals with the UK, through who they too will gain access to the US produce. And they'll be buying them off the UK for less than from the EU. The EU has no way to compete against this and will collapse.