Monz

[quote name='umph' post='621495' date='Oct 9 2009, 12:08 PM']matamp nowadays (not the best since its a little rock but you get the point) [/quote] Here you go [attachment=34188:DSC00024.JPG] GT200

[quote name='umph' post='621465' date='Oct 9 2009, 11:37 AM']you couldn't be further from the truth! they both started as the same company, but thats about the only resemblance they share nowadays! The circuitry and build quality are miles apart. in regards to dirty though, have you ever cranked a hiwatt chris? if i were you i'd keep an eye out for a roost / vintage hiwatt / soundcity 120 or even nab that simm watts head that keeps appearing on ebay and let me do it up for you ;>[/quote] +100 on the hiwatt or simms both glorious sounding amps although you will need to sit something in front of the simms to get a real dirty sound. For me the Matamp won for a few reasons not least of which is that the amp is custom built to get the sound and features you want I wonder what the resonse would have been from Orange if I had bought one of their amps and then gone back a fortnight later and said "actually the sound is a bit too dirty for me at higher volumes could you see if you can tweek it for me" This is exactly what happened with matamp and they told me to take the amp in the following day where it spent 4 or 5 hours on the bench being fine tuned by Hayden and Andrew I can't sing their praises enough to be honest... not the cheapest amps but worth every penny for the quality of product and service

[quote name='Musicman20' post='621302' date='Oct 9 2009, 09:03 AM']Finbar, I agree with the tone with Glassjaw. I love their bass sound. If you want my opinion, after wondering around the world of dirty tube amps, the Orange AD200b Mk3 is perfect for when you need a good dirty sound at levels where you still can hear the drums and guitar! Plus, if you want to push it louder, it will give you all the volume you want. I never realised how loud a tube amp could be until I played around with it. At 1/3 master, 1/2 gain, its seriously loud with lots of volume left. The sheer low end 'heft' is insane. I suggest the Orange or a dirty Matamp. The problems with the Ampeg SVT CL is its weight, and the fact it has to be cranked a lot higher to give you real grit. I a/b'ed the Orange with the Ampeg CL and VR, and the Orange won hands down. Not only that, but the second hand market for Orange and Matamp is better, should you ever sell. Ampeg isnt as 'boutique' unless you get a vintage one. No doubt a Matamp voiced to be dirty would be the same. [/quote] A GT200 with 83's in it has got to be the ultimate dirty sound for my money... but then I am biased

I have just spoken to Matamp and seeing as Tayste_2000 pinched my last 2x12 I'm having another one made this time with Neo speakers but with a higher power rating so I will report back and let you know how it compares with the first one. I'm wanting a slightly less Hi Fi sound and more like the 4x10's which they assure me they can acheive. At this rate we will be able to have a matamp cab bash LOL

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='620601' date='Oct 8 2009, 02:38 PM']There's a right way to build light weight cabs, which when employed will vibrate less than heavy cabs while sounding better, and there's a wrong way. One guess which applies to the lightweights you tried. [/quote] As I said in my experience... limited though it is, the comparison was between a newly designed 2 x 12 that I had made as a one off by Matamp, a Markbass 1 x 15 and the Barefaced Compact. Whilst the Markbass and Barefaced were very good at what they did there seemed to be a point at which they struggled whereas the 2x12 just seemed to keep going, and also the Matamp didn't vibrate at all and was louder than the other two. My assessment was also backed up by another BCer who was there at the time. Just in case it makes any difference the amps used to test them were both all valve... a GT200 and a Simms Watts PA100 The above is not meant to be deragatory towards any of the manufacturers they are just the results I got

I have played through ultra-light medium weight and heavy cabs, in my experience the heavier quality made cabs * give the best sound and everything else seems to be a trade off for weight they all perform ok but when you get to LOUD levels the lightweights seem to loose the ability to punch the sound forward and in the case of the ultra lightweights seem to vibrate rather violently * I know there are heavyweight sh*te cabs too

OK guys not going to be able to make this... very sorry UPDATED LIST: It's getting too much effort now to keep re-doing the numbering, so if any more people drop out then I'll just remove their names + gear from the list.. 01. Silverfoxnik: Roscoe Beck V, Wal Pro2e, BC Rich Eagle, Fender Jazz V Deluxe, Eden Metro Rig, GK700RB, SWR Triad 02. Merton: Status Retroactive, Mikey's Singlecut Fanned-Fret Prototype, LH500 and Barefaced Vintage 03. 04. Hamster: BFM Omni15 tallboy, Barefaced Compact, Fender P with Thumper & Villex PTB 05. Alex Claber: '87 Warwick Streamer, RIM Custom 5 with 36" scale and Q-Tuners, Avalon U5/QSC PLX3002, GB Shuttle 6.0, Barefaced Compact, Big One, Midget, Midget T, maybe Big Baby. 06. Johnnylager: Spector Euro 4LX, KSD Jazz, LH-1000, Barefaced Big Juan, DHA Custom Shop VT2-Twin-EQ-Bass with Tech Tube valves & whatever other effects I have at the time. 07. Happy Jack: Lightwave Sabre VL, Hofner 500/1 (1964), Hofner 500/5 (1959), PJB Bass Buddy + headphones, whole load of stuff for the Quiet Room, a Drummer, Comfort Strapp, a Dare twin-shoulder strap, and a Slider twin-shoulder strap 08. MacDaddy: Custom Shuker (hopefully!) and possibly Hamer Blitz or Iceni Zoot. 09. Stingrayfan: G&L Tribute L2000, Yamaha BB614, Westone Thunder 1A, 10. Chris B: 11. Cetera: Pre-Kramer Spector NS-2, Wal Mk1 Fretless, Fender/AllParts 70's Jazz, Tech21 Landmark600, GenzBenzNEOX212T 12. Waynepunkdude: Fender Jazz, SX P Bass, MM Bongo, DHA-DI-EQ & Ampeg SVT 5 Pro 13. Jakesbass: Alembic MK5 Deluxe, German Blockless Wonder 1880 Double Bass 14. 51m0n: Bergantino AE410, MarkBass sa450, Focusrite Compounder, Roscoe Century Std V, (If Plux isnt gigging) Berg HT210, HT115, Hartke LH500 15. Floyd Pepper: Markbass LMK, Bergantino HT112 & EX112, Stingray '91 2eq, Lakland DJ4, Stagg EDB, Gibson Les Paul Double Cut and a Fender '54 RI Precision17. Davidmpires: Markbass F1, Barefaced Compact, Spector Euro LX 5, T-Bass by Status 16. Peted: Warwick Thumb BO 4, Squier MIJ modded Precision, Shuker Singlecut 6 fanned fret (if it's ready by then, but I'm not holding my breath) 17. Platypus: Alleva Coppolo Jazz 5, Celinder Jazz 4 fretless, Tecamp Puma 1000 + Tecamp M212 cab 18. Monz: (Can't make it) 19. Alien: Schecter Stiletto 4, Peavey Grind 6, Hartke HA7000, Alien Audio 2x10 + other toys. 20. EssentialTension: Lakland Skyline Decade, Fender Tony Franklin Fretless Precision, Mesa Boogie Walkabout Scout 112 21. silddx: Warwick Corvette $$ 4, Warwick Corvette Standard Ash active fretless 4, POD X3 Live, SansAmp Para Driver 22. Phil_the_bassist: MMSR5 w/JE preamp, Sandberg Cali JM, Steinberger synapse5 w/ extra pup, various fuzz pedals and envelope filters, whatever amp I happen to own by then. 23. Stingray5: My StingRay5, StingRay fretless and Tune TWB-6 plus any other basses in my signature pic if people let me know. I also have an Aria AMB-50B acoustic bass if anyone fancies a go? Could also bring my GT6-B. Plus ('cos it's small) a BLX-80 combo. And some cans...? 24. dave.c: Spector Rebop 4DLX EX, Spector NS2000-4, Gibson SGZ,Hartke LH500, Hartke Hydrive 410 25. WalMan: Wal Pro1/Custom conversion, G&L L2500 US, MarkBass CMD121H, Epifani 1x12 (not the neo one but I can't remember the initials just at the mo), Bass Pod xT Pro, Marshall SuperBass 100 head 26. Bottle: Ibanez GSR-180, Gallien-Krueger MB2-500, EBS Pro-line 4x10 27. Beedster: Fender, Fender, Fender, Fender, Fender, Fender..and Markbass!. 28. pete.young: Burman Pro 4000 and a Dean Bromberg B2, which has an unusual Piezo bridge pickup 29. coasterbass: Mesa 1x15 RR, Mesa 4x10, Ampeg SVP and Eden WP100 preamps 30. sixshooter: 55P bass Sonic Blue Relic, 59P bass original Sunburst, 59P bass Custom Shop relic Mary Kaye, 79P bass original but upgraded Black, Modulus 6 Oteil Burbridger 31. Jean Luc Pickguard: couple of Ashborys, an NS-design CR5M & danelectro longhorn 32. 33. Jack London: GK1001RBII and Simnett 34. ped: Vigier S2 fretted/S3 fretless, Roland Vbass, SWR 4x8/1x15, noname 1u poweramp if it doesn't explode beforehand, phone, keys, wallet 35. dannybuoy: Peavey T-40 & pedalboard 36. bassace: double bass, amp & cab 37. barneyG42: Status Series1, and possibly me Hartke 3500 38. Johngh: Fender MIJ Jazz 75 reissue. Shuker Headless 6er and Status S2 Classic 6er headless. 39. Clarky: Shuker JJ Burnel and Mesa Walkabout 40. Stylon Pilson: £10, a Hartke LH500 and a Barefaced Compact. And probably a fretless Aria Sinsonido 41. Xzantes: Conklin Groove tools 7 string fretless 42. sdgrsr400: Lākland Skyline 55-02 Deluxe, Glockenklang Soul II, Acme B2-ii 43. woolz: ABM ashdown evoIII 575w head, peavey cab. ibanez sr20th, few pedals. 44. Paul S: Fender Jaguar, Hohner B2A; Trace Elliot AH300-12, 1153, 2103H 45. Bubinga 5: Fender Jazz custom shop custom Classic, Stingray 5, Sei Jazz 5, Ostinato Jazz, Fender Jazz 5, Cort Elrick 5, Aguilar 46. eshears: Pedulla Rapture J2, Lakland DPLEII (Darkstar P-bass), Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0, Barfaced Compact, Pedalboard (Deep Impact, Supercollider, Ultra Fuzz, Discumbobulator, Small Stone, Dd-6) 47. Budget Bassist: Warwick corvette $$ 48. tait: Shuker course Taitycaster, possibly an ibanez SR500 if anyone's interested in that? 49. Mikey R: Shuker course P Bass 50. Shockwave: Pedulla Pentabuzz 5AAAAA Fretless, Pedulla MVP5 fretted, Rickenbacker 4003S, Ashdown Little Giant LG1000. 51. Simon1964: Shuker Singlecut, Stingray (with East 3 band preamp), Rick, Mark Bass Jeff Berlin and possibly the Thumb or Precision. 52. Tarcher: 53. Captain Rumble: Wal pro 1, Warwick Corvette $$ Greece. 54: Captain Bassman: Aggie DB750 (unless there's too much amp-age already!) + Aggie cabs, Vigier Arpege 5 (new series 4 model), Sadowsky UV70 Metro / Jaydee GA24 custom / GB IV (early Spitfire from 1999)

HAHAHA Now that did make me titter

No brainer Matamp 4 x 10 or multiples of... best tone ever

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='618177' date='Oct 6 2009, 08:02 AM']I bet Crazykiwi really loves it when you call him an Australian. Maybe ask him.[/quote] "They all look the same to me"

[quote name='umph' post='614671' date='Oct 2 2009, 12:04 PM']i want to see the schematic if there actually getting OVER 400watts out of 8 kt88s there must be some heavy duty drivers in this amp![/quote] If my four KT88s kisck out over 300 wouldnt their 8 be able to push well beyond 400?

200W all valve into 2 4x10s masses of headroom and clean tone playing in a five peice band with a fairly loud drummer who is always mic'd through the PA (I don't go through the PA anymore) I have to admit this is the first time in 3 years that I am completely happy with my tone / power... in fact I would go as far as GAS free

It's just part of the evening's games isn't it, we usually play about 24 songs through 2 sets plus 2 or 3 encores . We make them work for em, you know "we can't hear you" "are you sure you want another" "We have got to get the half eleven bus you know" Generally consists of upbeat sing along type numbers... Crazy little thing, Brown eyed girl, All or nothing... you know the type To me there is no problem with them as you account for them in the timings of your sets good time to get them to remember how good you were and that they had a real good night and the band played 3 encores for us

Have a blast at a Matamp GT200 if you get the chance... in fac I am taking all my matamp gear down to the bass bash if you want to have a play

+1 also for the XL's I used them on my warwick... best of the bunch for my money (I used the 40's)

Thanks for the comments guys and sorry for any matrimonial disharmony I may cause It is worth it though... I love just turning up at a gig and knowing that the tone is going to be there without all the EQ fiddling, I just stand it in the corner, set the volume for the soundcheck... job done

I understand you don't want a practice amp but I got a Roland bass cube the other week (30W version) and it's suprisingly capable, I understand they do a 100W version too. Give one a try as I use mine for most rehearsals other than the rock band. It has a line out on it, which is one of the reasons I got it... emergency back up

Is it just me or does the bass disappear in the mix... all sounds very trebble biased to me I suppose it could be the mic on the camera if thats where the audio is coming from... other than that looked very professional

OK I'm fairly new to this bass game so likely to get gazumped by nearly all of you 58 for the 60's/70's/80's covers band 22 and counting for the rock band 15 and counting for the ska/reggae band These are numbers that I would be confident playing on stage tonight if I had to... Probably another 20 or so that I learned purely because I liked the bassline

A quick 2 hour rehearsal and dropped off with HUBRAD (Who is a very nice fellow with a very nice fretless Overwater.... drool) My laymans review of the compact to follow shortly

[quote name='TheButler' post='609163' date='Sep 26 2009, 12:27 PM']Well then i think thats that sorted... Now, money. I guess i won't be seeing much change from a couple of grand. I think a phone call is in order, but you lot have put me off... it sounds like an aging process.[/quote] I shouldn't get too excited about the 400 just yet if I were you... he won't sell anything until he knows it's bulletproof and the last time I spoke to Howard about it they were still trying different transformers. Besides how much volume do you bloody want lol, my 200 is capable of making my ears ring for 24 hours after a good rehearsal.

The Specials, Bad Manners or UB40 would have done me fine

Well done that man... They really look the mutts nuts those do

[quote name='tayste_2000' post='608607' date='Sep 25 2009, 01:25 PM']Haha, awesome I rang them today about possibly ordering 2 GT200's just going to give Monz's a good ragging tomorrow see how it handles my band[/quote] In your dreams oh young one... You wanna rag em you buy em