Right, just about recovered from yesterday. Thanks again for all the advice and support. Clarky, I'll check that DVD out, seems like a good starting point. Robin, I'll drop you a PM, a couple of starter lessons seems a very good idea. I've got one or two other avenues to explore regarding local teaching so we'll see how that goes.TNIT, that's a good point about holding the neck, I've have already experienced some discomfort in the back of my hand, I'll try the beer can approach later today.