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[quote name='wateroftyne' post='575862' date='Aug 20 2009, 05:48 PM']+1... I'm sure there's a few people in Darfur who would love to swap hardships with you. [/quote] You're getting quite 'zesty' at the moment

Hi Josh - welcome to basschat You can never have too many basses (as long as there's one Jazz in there)

Hi Gaz - welcome to the Forum. Proper rig. And a proper bandname. Sgt Wolfbanger - wish I'd thought of that.

Re; the getting out of certain venues... something I missed in his original post was that the OP uses keys for his other bigger and presumably more prestigious gigs. Augmentation is for the less-well paid jobs. Which kinda makes sense. Frankly, I can't find much to disagree with in anyone's arguments - I hate Karaoke Pan-pipes with a vengeance; as a punter, I'm not keen on BT's; I probably couldn't work with them (I'm too sloppy) and presumably they bind you down at certain points in a song. That said, it's his choice and good luck to him. Same to Bilbo for chucking his best-paid gig to go stretch his boundaries. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law; the word of Sin is Restriction.

Chuck's a very bad boy.

FWIW, there's a luthier in Oxfordshire who charges £10 to change your strings. And £15 for a re-fret. Just the one fret, mind.

Ermmm...guys... OP = Harlowbassplayer ebay Seller location - Harlow

Damn this new lead-free solder! I've been having the same probs...Clas Olsen you say? Ta for the heads-up.

[quote name='12stringbassist' post='574904' date='Aug 19 2009, 11:21 PM']It was during a performance of Quadrophenia that relied too heavily on tapes that Townshend attacked Bob Pridden.[/quote] You're quite right. Thanks for the amendment. My memory's failing me.

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[quote name='Tait' post='571211' date='Aug 16 2009, 11:32 PM']thanks for the advice guys, just one last question. i've seen somewhere about mic'ing up the amp when you record, rather than lining out. what are the pros and cons of each?[/quote] Sorry for the delay, haven't been by this thread recently. In brief - Micing up: [b]Pro[/b] * Gets speaker colouration into the equation * Depending on which part of the speaker the mic's aimed at, you can get different sounds. Straight at centre - punchy. Off centre - plummier * Depending on mic distance from speaker, room noise begins to creep in. Can be good for adding 'air' and 'naturalness' to the sound [b]Con[/b] * The noise pisses the neighbours off. * Bass can bleed through into other instruments mikes and vice versa. Bass notes can make certain bits of drumkit rattle, adding to unwanted noises. * You have to accurately replicate mic positioning if you go back later and re-record sections of bassline within the original song. Or for consistency between different songs * Depending on mic distance from speaker, room noise begins to creep in. Can add unwanted noise. Room reflections can cause phase issues, spoiling your sound On the whole, I'd personally DI the bass for the main take. Later on, you can solo the 'clean' bass track back out of Reaper to a bass amp and record the speaker output with a mic to a new track, then mix the two tracks using a reaper 'folder'. Sending the signal out and back will introduce a tiny delay, so your re-amped track will be fractionally behind the original. You'll have to accurately align the 're-amped' track [i]to[/i] the original DI recording so that they're [i]absolutely[/i] in sync or you'll get phasing noises and / or your tone will sound 'hollow'.

Rock n' Roll. Simple, honest and direct. Lot of it recorded with 2 or 3 mics direct to 2-track. Plus, they always seemed to be having a good time - enormous positivity.

[quote name='The Funk' post='574379' date='Aug 19 2009, 04:18 PM']You forgot about the xylophone next to the drum kit and the theremin for the singer![/quote] Kazoo-synth. Majestic.

Ah-ha! Here's a solution. Bass pedals, like the old Moog jobbies. Play the bass lines with your feet, deliver guitar on a double-neck, while the gtrst does his synth stuff!

[quote name='The Funk' post='574273' date='Aug 19 2009, 03:07 PM']My attitude is almost the reverse. I'd have more sympathy for a covers / function band using backing tracks than, say, Destiny's Child. That's a f***ing disgrace. I don't have any time for 'artists' playing to a backing track (even hip-hop artists - get a live band or a DJ) or getting the keyboard player to do little more than press the space bar on his Macbook Pro at the beginning of each song. It's different if their music relies on triggering samples for sound effects rather than instrumentation (such as Pink Floyd), or on live looping, or live programming - which I've never witnessed but would like to see happen.[/quote] With you on all that, big boy.

Using electronic / pre-recorded augmentation: * If you're an 'Artist' - say, Kraftwerk or Moby and performing your own original stuff, it's OK. Challenging, even. M'wah, M'wah, air-kiss. * If you're doing covers, you're a hack, reeking of cheap cider and Superkings. Weird, innit. We're edging dangerously close to the 'Covers / Tribute' debate.

The more that we drift off into the murky waters of artistic integrity and value judgments, the more I'm bloody-mindedly inclined to support the OP in his endeavour. The key to all of this is what's expedient in the OP's current situation. That said, I'm confused by the notion that it's [i]the venue[/i] that won't pay for the keys player. Do they operate some sort of 'per musician' fee? Just curious. The other thought that occurs is that if it's a question of the band taking a financial hit by adding another member - well, maybe it's worth looking to the future. Having real keys (oh, OK, Bilbo, an electronic substitute for an entire string and brass section!) would mean an overall expansion of the band sound and repertoire - not just the songs that need a particular part. This could lead to a corresponding improvement in the total package, thus leading to more gigs, more audience satisfaction. As I've mentioned elsewhere, keys make a band sound more 'expensive' and keys players, IME, tend to align themselves with the rhythm section. In any event, do what you feel is best for your band, enjoy it and don't fret about the 'Integrity' issue. In the context of cheerfully knocking out some covers in a club, 'Integrity' = Tripe.

[quote name='lowdown' post='573424' date='Aug 18 2009, 08:29 PM']The Who used a reel to reel in the early days of Wont Get Fooled Again, live [the Arp synth part][/quote] ...and on at least one of the many occasions that it all went hideously wrong, Townshend hauled Bob Pridden out from behind his Revox and chinned him in front of the audience. I respect both sides of this argument about "real musicians" and "creative augmentation" - it's situation-specific - but for the OP, it's got to be a question of what's expedient, no more. Fair play to him. That said, I predict fun times ahead in the rehearsal room. A-One, A-Two, A-Three-and-a-half! Best of luck

* Mapleglo 4001, Walnut EB-3 with slot headstock, Gibson semi-hollow 4/6 doubleneck * Big ol' SVT, Marshall Lead / Bass, Acoustic 370 * Ampeg 8x10, Marshall 2x15, Acoustic 301 ..and get back to a 32" waist so I could wear the flappy bell-bottoms to go with this nostalgia fest

[quote name='arabassist' post='570524' date='Aug 16 2009, 11:31 AM']Prob no. 1: I'm 18, been playing for 16 months and i've never been in a band and never gigged in my life before. ...how much of a problem would this be? Prob no. 2: I really do not understand the electronics of bass ... the only thing i know is: turn on amp, plug in bass, change EQ on amp for desired tone, change volume & tone on bass - what else do I need to know? Prob no. 3: i dont know much theory.... messing around with scales, doublestops and triads (ive just been messing round and listening to what sounds and 'feels' right).[/quote] 1. No problem at all. Everybody has to start sometime. If they didn't, then there wouldn't be any gigging bass players. 2. Er...that's pretty much all there is. You're done. As for effects, you may not need any - that all depends on the genre of music you're going to be playing. 3. Like many people, I started gigging without even knowing there was even such a thing as '[i]theory[/i]'. So, again, you're way ahead of the game. You don't need more than 2 basses. One to play, one spare for emergencies. Just chop your practice amp in and score yourself a rig that'll chuck out min 300w, with a DI out if poss. Maybe get a little compressor if your new (s/h) amp doesn't have one built in. Yup, you're ready.

Just ask them in advance which songs you might sit in on, and ask them what key they play them in. Get solid confirmation, as people have a tendency to mis-remember. Then go away and learn the parts in those keys. If it's Rock, Soul, Blues they'll probably be fairly straightforward songs. Failing that, buy a capo

Yeah, about 5 years ago, IIRC. I'd have one if I could get a Cheesy-Star Squier for around £100+; then re-spray it, new p-ups. Pickguard's a bit thick too, but hey. Cheapest way to a "sort of" T-bass.

...plus £510 postal insurance

Hi pbassman and welcome Sounds like you've got some seriously interesting kit there! There's a fair amount of useful playing stuff in the technique section, and you'll find some interesting gear in the amps for sale thread - much better prices than ebay and you meet some nice people picking it up. Cheers Skank

Hi John - welcome to Basschat Hope you enjoy yourself here - lots of info, gear porn, great deals and the occasional hilarious flame war