skankdelvar

I suppose it all depends on whether one cares to observe this particular 'law' or not. And anyway, does it matter what a swarm of hand wringing commie trade unionists thinks? The greater likelihood is that most citizens will be completely unaware of this change and it will make sod-all difference.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1438610415' post='2835740'] Yup. It's also important to point out that youth culture before The Beatles broke was VERY different to after. It was a fundamental shift that only Elvis, punk and (IMO) Nirvana can hint at. [/quote] Quite so. One of the earlier 'serious' biographies of the Beatles was 'Shout' by Philip Norman. It is a magisterial tome and one of the best of its kind. In the most recently updated edition (2005) the author added a section which suggests not only that the Beatles changed music but also that they showed stuffy 60's society how perfectly ordinary working class people could get to the top while remaining true to their roots and to a radical philosophy. In so doing they laid the ground for a cultural shift where the workaday individual might perceive themselves as being at the centre of society and no longer limited by petty convention. So far so good. Mr Norman - though a staunch champion of the Beatles - nevertheless concludes with some reluctance that the loveable Mop-Tops laid the ground for the 'Me Generation' and that this may not have been an entirely good thing. Oops. [color=#ffffff].[/color]

The nub of this thread (as so many before it) is that the OP feels himself to have been significantly influenced by The Beatles at a formative moment in his life and - moreover - asserts that many others were similarly affected, be they musicians or consumers. It is predictable to the point of tedium that other posters will emerge to state only in the baldest of terms their dislike of the Beatles or to aver that they 'do not get them'. Which is all well and good, though it suggests that some here 'do not get' the point of a musical discussion forum. A poster's personal tastes or the limits of their understanding are a matter of complete indifference to me and - I suspect - to many others, unless such opinions are underpinned by an engaging or informative substance. Then there are those who state (usually without foundation) that The Beatles 'weren't all that'. Such observations sometimes remind me of the TV satire 'The Bad News Tour' where a band member adumbrates upon matters of musical competence: Vim Fuego:[i] I could play "Stairway To Heaven" when I was 12. Jimmy Page didn't actually write it until he was 22. I think that says quite a lot.[/i] I mean, it's perfectly alright not to 'get' the Beatles or to dislike their output as a matter of taste or to seek to place their importance in context. But it's risky to say so out loud unless one frames one's response with great care and precision, this lest one be perceived as a know-nothing f**kwit out to big oneself up by expressing a deliberately contrarian opinion which falls apart like wet cardboard at the slightest pressure. Not that anyone here would do that, oh no.

[quote name='Ancient Mariner' timestamp='1438553085' post='2835445'] With a 10" speaker, I'd agree, but 8" is just a bit too small. [/quote] BassChat top honcho and Interweb tycoon Kiwi runs a pair of those TS combos in stereo. In the event that he sashays by this thread he may enlighten us further as to the TubeScreamer's effectiveness.

[quote name='Ancient Mariner' timestamp='1438378763' post='2834189'] There were also a couple of Vox Night Trains/lil night train that might have suited. [/quote] Good call. A few years ago I went out with a chum and trialled a shed load of small valve amps, including the Marshall Class 5, the Fender Pro Junior, the Tiny Terror, the Dark Terror, a Blackstar and the Night Train. Of these I liked the NT best - it may not have the 'rawk' image but it sounded [i]very[/i] nice in both clean and dirty modes.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1438361043' post='2833962'] Good question, I don't know where Chuck got his stuff from. Chuck was a little before my time. Blue [/quote] In terms of guitar style and stage moves, T-Bone Walker. Songwriting-wise, among many others - Big Joe Turner and Louis Jordan (listen to [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6pHtiNT_k"]Caldonia[/url] and imagine it as a shuffle rather than swing).

[quote name='SubsonicSimpleton' timestamp='1438289356' post='2833378'] Have you considered using an Esquire (or modified Esquire) arrangement for the electrics and not bothering to replace the neck pup? This particular variant would be really useful on any single pup guitar [url="https://sites.google.com/site/phostenixwiringdiagrams/teles/esquires#Esquire3-Way2"]https://sites.google...s#Esquire3-Way2[/url] [/quote] I can also recommend the 'simplified Eldred mod' on that page. Startlingly useful.

The Fender pawn shop amps are jolly little items at a very reasonable price. Nice sounds, cool packages. Vaporizers are very popular but if you're prepared to buy second-hand there are a fair number of Excelsiors floating around at the moment. If you go the s/h Excelsior route either get the v2 (with a better stock speaker) or budget £50-70 for a replacement Celestion or Eminence. FWIW, Excelsiors are supposed to be more Brownface than Tweed. Though unfashionable, s/h Laney LC15's also sound quite nice as do Pro Juniors, though the latter rarely come in under £200. If you're prepared to go to a lower wattage s/h Epiphone valve Juniors are cheap as chips and do the business at home. Not really loud enough for gigging, I'd imagine.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1438344289' post='2833725'] Who fundamentally changed popular culture, music, song writing and recording? It wasn't the Hollies, Animals, Kinks or Gerry and the Pacemakers. [/quote] Indeed and it can easily be proven. Choose any Beatles hit of the early-mid 60's; check the release date. Listen to what other bands were putting out at the same time. It's what the Beatles had been doing six months before that. Then go forward 3-6 months and it's the same. Every other big league band was playing catch up. The Who, The Stones, The Kinks - [i]everyone[/i] - waited to see what the Beatles were going to do next. Their autobiographies frequently prove as much, with passages on the lines of: 'One night I picked up Donovan in my Bentley and we went round to Pete's ([i]Townshend[/i]) house. We were skinning up a big one with Mick when Eric turned up carrying the new Beatles album. We all sat down and listened to it. From intro to run-out groove we were totally blown away and said so, apart from Ray ([i]Davies)[/i] who observed that he could write much better songs but didn't feel like doing so because competition was "beneath him". Ray's brother Dave laughed out loud and Ray hit him'. [i]Tony Goggle - GoggleBox (box set liner notes)[/i]

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1438210900' post='2832658'] No it was the old bloke from Steptoe and son that ruined it for me. [/quote] Expect the Wilfred Brambell Appreciation Society to issue a fatwa. Keep your doors locked and get someone else to open your mail. Just saying.

You know what [i]you[/i] need? A fiddle and / or a steel guitar. Problem is finding the buggers. Good luck with your endeavour, chap!

I've always thought it would be so much easier just to number bands. Here Tonight In Concert: Number 378 - with special guests number 4472. Support: number 38,926

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1438019209' post='2830927'] Point of order Mr Delvar, I believe you will find that the actual song's appearance in the film was during the courtship of Mr Bond and his future albeit not-for-long wife. [/quote] Indeed so. The song is [i]first[/i] heard during the Bond–Tracy courtship montage, bridging Draco's birthday party in Portugal and Bond's burglary of the Gebrüder Gumbold law office in Bern, Switzerland. But it reappears at the end, shortly after a motorcycle gendarme spies Mr Bond parked at the roadside with his (deceased) wife's face in his - er - lap and asks Bond if all is in order, [i]M'sieu[/i]. Bond (Lazenby) peers into the camera with the expression of a man suffering from severe gastric wind and solemnly intones that he and his corpse bride have 'all the time in the world'. The music swells and Old Satchmo reprises the song before it segues (under the credits) into Mr Monty Norman's James Bond Theme. This truncated version is to found on the soundtrack album (track 11) but - being end-credit music - would have been the penultimate piece heard by the cinema-goer as they extinguished their Capstan Full Strength and stumbled through drifts of Westler's hot dog wrappers out to the street where they caught the bus home.

[quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1438021769' post='2830970'] And I'm surprised nobody has challenged your comment on jazz dying in 1960! [/quote] That's because my contention is irrefutable (in the sense that Jazz died as a mass market thing, getting played on daytime radio, ordinary people dancing to it, buying singles, etc). Blues went the same way about 15 years ago. Now it's all old codgers with grey chest-wigs and Marshall baseball caps sitting around stroking their chins and comparing Walter Trout unfavourably to Big Bill Broonzy and reciting Chess catalogue numbers to each other over a pint of Adnams'. The Blues problem is exacerbated by the continuing and inexplicable survival of Paul Jones on the BBC Blues show. He sounds more like Desmond Carrington than the Desmeister himself and cdrtainly less animated. You can hear Jones' false teeth flapping away as he unveils his thoughts on the latest release from Blind Bob Badger: '...and here's a number from the album I particularly like. Ted Blither Jr on bass, Sticks Hamilton-Watt on drums and Dave Racoon on the lickin' stick. The album was recorded at ... produced by ... Howling Wolf's nephew dropped by ... really quite remarkable... (flap flap flap)' Frankly, the only two vaguely related genres round here that seem to pull normal punters (as opposed to geriatric obsessives and their ghastly wives) is 'acoustic' and 'alt-country / Americana. At least you get a few chickies turn out for that.

[quote name='UglyDog' timestamp='1438017497' post='2830898'] This lovely, wonderful song. (We Have All The Time In The World) in A, I believe. [/quote] Famous for being the music used during the scene in On Her Majesty's Secret Service where James Bond's new bride expires in his arms having been plugged by Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Telly Savalas?) in an early cinematic depiction of a drive-by shooting. [size=3]Lazenby struggles to contain emotion as bullet-riddled Rigg pegs out[/size] Just the job, eh? [color=#ffffff].[/color]

Clarence is - indeed - no longer with us. Similarly Mr Danny Federici. AFAIK Mr Tallent remains in good health and currently untroubled by the Reaper. [size=3][b]Tallent sporting the 'horn[/b][/size]

[quote name='mentalextra' timestamp='1438005812' post='2830742'] What about Jazz? [/quote] Jazz? 1912-1960? So, about 48 years as a mass-market popular form. If rock were to have lasted as long as Jazz it should have dropped off the twig and gone minority interest in 1996. Some might say rock died in 1969; or 1977; or when Elvis went into the army. Who can really say? Either way, rock (as we know it) is pretty much dead and I'm only interested in what's going to come next, always provided us crinkly middle-aged men get the f**k out of the way of progress.

For a laugh there's always 'Love Stinks' by the J Geils band and D.I.V.O.R.C.E by Tammy Wynette. OK, maybe not. How about: Love Is All Around (Troggs / Wet Wet Wet) Wonderful World (Louis Armstrong) Many Rivers To Cross (Jimmy Cliff) When you say nothing at all (Ronan Keating - but the Alison Krauss version's better) I knew the Bride when she used to rock and roll (Dave Edmunds) Stand by Me (Ben E King) Somewhere over the rainbow Kiss me (sixpence none the richer) At Last (Etta James) Wonderwall (Oasis) and for some red-velvety wallpaper lounge cheese: Can't help falling in love with you (Elvis) Have I told you lately that I love you? (Van Morrison) Something (The Beatles) Just the way you are (Billy Joel) Puppet on a string (Sandie Shaw) Dancing Queen (Abba) Let the music play (Barry White)

The death of Rock and Roll may be attributed to a number of factors: * Over supply at both the local and global level * The tameness and predictability of the content and presentation at all levels when compared to other musical genres * The natural entropy of any popular artistic form * Ageing core audience with a diminishing number of 'new' entrants. * The wide availability of alternative forms of entertainment or distraction including - but not limited to - the internet, TV, games, all of which provide the secondary function of identity-building and group involvement as previously supplied by Rock. 'Rock' has lasted longer in the public eye than any other musical genre (save perhaps music hall / musical theatre 1840-1955). It is unsurprising that Rock is on its last legs; then again, so am I so its not a problem for me. [color=#ffffff].[/color]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1437931985' post='2830151'] Quite right too. My veils are now available in many different styles starting at £49.99. PM me if interested. [/quote] I can testify to the high quality and astonishing durability of Discreet Veils. My grandmother purchased one from their Uxbridge Rd branch in 1926; it's still in fantastic condition though we use it as an antimacassar, veils having become unfashionable here in Wiltshire. Messrs Discreet's range of curtains also come highly recommended, particularly the beef option. Buy with confidence.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437919981' post='2829973'] All these things find their own level of popularity, like bobbing corks, no..? [/quote] Cork bobbing is still quite popular round here. Just thought I'd mention that. As for rock and roll, it is a ghastly, emasculated shadow of that which once it was. 'Rock' is either floppy ginger-haired boys mincing around with small bodied acoustics or fatuous 'metal dudes dialling in their signature tone and shreddin' the sh*t outa this town with our awesome chops'. It is all too perfectly frightful; we would be better off drawing a discreet veil over the whole appalling 'rock' farrago and confining our adumbrations to something taut and edgy like teaspoon collecting.

It's not just guitarists. Ever tried using a headstock tuner on an acoustic guitar while someone's widdling away on a bass? Can't be done. Big vibrations, see. Rehearsals are for routining songs, not for working out bass lines. Respectfully yours Acoustic guitard about to go postal.

[quote name='seashell' timestamp='1436786137' post='2820661'] As I found out with another Midlands musician recently. My lips are sealed. [/quote] It was Jeff Lynne, wasn't it? Did he do that thing where he unleashes a trouser cough and then blames someone else? He's a bastard like that. Anyway, Slade. When I was a youth we often used to see them driving round Sutton Coldfield in their limo(s). We were terribly proud of Slade.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1436449875' post='2818250'] Spitoon is a great word! Sadly underused these days... [/quote] Not as underused as its synonym, 'cuspidor'. As in: [i]Toreador don't spit upon the floor[/i] [i]Use the cuspidor[/i] [i]That's what it's for.[/i]

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1436305186' post='2816995'] Did you keep the review? [/quote] I did. It's in the attic