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@Japhet keep going bro. Carole Kaye, Glenn Hughes, Dave Ellefson, dUg Pinnick, chris squire, Jason newstead, duff mckagan , mike Dirnt, Joe Osborne, Anthony jackson to name a few surely some of them can inspire, and also get near to?! Bobby is mint BTW

I am a pick player (of no great repute) forced by an old injury to my index finger knuckle which means it’s just hurts to play, i I don’t fancy wearing my joint out earlier than it has to! But I have found this, I do the odd finger style, and sometimes songs just need it, and it’s difficult deadening the ring of strings just with a pick, so learning to mute with your palm and other hand helps. I do ‘cheat’ sometimes with a fret wrap to help me. The other thing I have discovered are Dava picks. https://www.davapick.com/ Firstly they are super comfortable to grip, don’t slip with sweaty fingers, but rotate it and use the rubber part instead of the sharp pick end and it gives a very very good dead sound so with the tone rolled off you are in finger Motown territory - they are fully worth a try IMHO

@dannybuoy I completely agree, which is why multistrings and guitar and bass and stringed instruments ofndifferent pitches go so well together

Ha! All points are fair buddy, and not trying to derail anything, by reading comments and what you posted it seemed that most octavers handle an open A no worries to octave down, but below that there is a struggle, so to my simple mind it seems better to play clean low and octave up whether that’s a 5, a Low 6 to a C or a detuned 4. so your points.... 1 - if you are taking 1 bass, it could be 1 12, but certainly no arguments form me on that. 2. If you tune Drop D it’s good for songs in D and G, everything down a further half step is more for voice protection, but there will be an element of relearning only because your E note is on the second fret, disco octaves are a bar on the same fret instead of a span, but that’s not that bad, it’s all patterns for a song just as sometimes you may play a string open or fretted for the note. 3. You can bend on a 3, it takes training! Certainly lower tuned floppies strings helps with that, or you can slide to pitch change. 4. Again can’t disagree, but taking a second bass and changing is not that difficult, again personal preference. 5. It’s is do-able just hitting the fundamental and not the octave strings, but again 1v2 basses. I would say a multi string octaving bass gives far more richness and overtones compared to a straight octave tracking machine, depends if you want it in your sound (and before you mention it Will the audience know the difference between a 12 an 8 or a pedal, lets not do that again!) 6. There is a cost difference, but if you are only taking 1 bass to a gig, why have you got a million Al?! This one is being discarded! 7. I don’t trust your ears, they have been battered by London noise and living, I reckon a very talented musician we both know may notice! its all an option, it’s definitely giggable, takes time to learn like any instrument and great fun band or solo

@Al Krow regarding synth keyboards in our youth, you must have had a different childhood to me, Moog gear was off my pay scale. I would have thought with your love of Japanese instruments you may not have had a Moog, or is that what put you off USA made stuff?

@Al Krow lack of understanding on Drop tuning. In fact all 12 strings are dropped - the E is taken down to a C# and the ADG down half a step, so yes there is not the ‘full’ range of a fiver, I am missing 2 Notes.......(not missing as I rarely if ever need them). How often are you using an Open E (normal tuning) tracking an octave below so you are transmitting a note lower than a low B on a 5 string, or any notes lower than a B once octaved down? The reason I ask is most Sub harmoniser pedals have their frequencies labelled at 30 and 60Hz and also a ‘sub’ one. We all know the Sub is about feel and not hear as only the best newborn type ears hear down to approx 20Hz at very very very best, so an open E is going quite low, and bearing in mind you like a filter cutting heavily at approx 28Hz, then Notes below an open B on a fiver will be lost? Or do I have the wrong end of the stick?

Crikey, I was before my time. I should have cranked the Bossanova preset, gathered in my Bontempi organ and learnt Jet set Willy as well

@dannybuoy @Al Krow why on earth you would want your bass to sound like a Casio keyboard I got for my 5th birthday to play the theme tune to manic miner on I do not know, but I am sure it’s easily possible, you don’t have to hit all courses of the strings each time fellas, plus I have a Mantic Beef Bag and reckon I could out sub you both if required......

@Al Krow so you have agreed then I have the low end covered so that answers the first part....

I hope the pedal will be centre piece on the table, and a prayer said before playing it

As you well no Mr Krow considering it’s tuned to Drop D and half a step down, i think I have the low end nicely covered. @Al Krow how often do you octave down C and below on your 5 string and it track perfectly to counter balance your pokey tongue, and how audible is that low threshold to us mere human ears?

12 string bass is the best analogue octaver I have used. Shame the limitations are due to my fingers

@dannybuoy aye that was a consideration too! I worked out tho by the time I tried to recreate a similar sound and have a clean amp to transport it, I have spent that! It is ultimately more flexible than the dUg amp alone, and fun building, and now I have the dUg amp as well, and this pedal looks to do clean better than the amp

Dismiss gear at your peril without reading the manual/understanding the finer points! Same with Hartke - flat is 2-3/10/2-3 for Bass/mid/treb loved my LH1000 , shame it weighted more than a dying star

I have been waiting this pedal for about 2 years, about the only thing that stopped me getting the amp

Depends on the time of day

@Al Krow Swap tall for thick wasted and the tall award goes @CameronJ

As @NancyJohnson said please. i’m an Old man, I don’t do tease well

Defo call Alex, especially if you are using 4 4x10s Thats 16 speakers of loud, and may cause an earthquake

Prob just someone saying what s legend you are

Battle of giants Doug vs dUg - love it. We all know a mid scoop works, but it’s all contextual. I know you get the b3k sounds to work for you and that’s cool. I could never get it to sit

Ha! Lets just see, it’s one guys ears, although he was slating the apparent XLR and 1/4 difference before. As ever the proof is in the pudding and eating it. Emperors and paupers get new clothes

He cracks me up I wouldn’t tell him to his face He is a massive unit!

Review from one of the guys on TalkBass about the XLR output vs 1/4” and on the pedal I just got mine and It's FU*KING AMAZING !!! One thing that is not explained well is that 1/4 inch output is full range and XLR is cabinet simulation. From what I tested myself it's 4x10. I know they said they used high and low pass filtering but I feel they were aiming for 4x10 configuration.I believe so because i have Digitech CabDryVR which is digital impulse response cab simulator and DP3X sounds closest to 4x10 when used with XLR out. Which means that's what you wanna record with and plug into your audio interface for DI recording or go to the front off the house or mixing board and 1/4 inch is of course for amps (even though no one says this is a rule just common sense). Great touch that Tech 21 should have explained better as it is really a cool feature. Pedal sounds amazing and has TON of low end while having growl-y and cristal-y upper mids and highs. They just got it right. I am sure this one will be most sold bass pedal for a while. This pedal cuts marble I mean every note is like a punch in the face. Kills DarkGlass myth with a sniper headashot of incredible accuracy.

Ramping the sound would be born out of frustration, seen him with his rig, the band had a beautifully balanced sound. Going through the PA is all about recognising what the modern world is like, but using his pedal to keep his tone.