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No need to compare @Al Krow it’s not organically the same, use your ears mate, not as Deep or organic And the harmonics of 3 vibrating strings will never be replicated

Finally I can agree with this and not just in theory but practically having used octave pedals and a 12ver, but if what any pedal gives you works for you then it’s not a bad thing, but it will not be a multisteing instrument. Its like bass done by a keyboard, yep the bassline will be there, but it’s not the same

To me this is almost the perfect rock song. George Lynch is a vastly underrated guitarist and I think this is a beautiful solo, easily matching the famous Zak Wylde in Ozzy’s no more tears. Ray Luzier is a monster drummer and drives the song, rhythm changes etc. dUg kills it with simplicity. KXM - Breakout - I could listen to this everyday and not get bored.

It actually is restaurant, but when she is in mermaid mode there is a foot spa to keep the tail, but then she magically transforms to human form I have been reliably informed!

My daughters insisted I play my guitar this morning, they never normally do, I should have smelled something was up....... So the question is, what other uses do your bags/cases have?!

Bless you Mr Krow, bless you! I may change my Avatar to FatDug! That would be a dream, not for the audience tho

You always know my answer.......BOTH!!!!!

Sometimes there snowboard and lodgings included, they will love Adamski-Killer, Vanilla Ice, Snow Patrol in the set, there may or may not be a dressing/powder room for you guys/gals

@Dan Dare I cannot agree more

@Al KrowOh they they may not give a stuff about the MB cab, because it is giving a great tone already that fits with the band, that’s entirely possible is it not? You mentioned your MB cab vs VK cab which will be paired with a head. The question is how do they comment on them in comparison to each other? And also which head cab combination? If they make no comment, then they either don’t care about the bass tone, or they liked all combinations equally.

@Al Krow it wasn’t aimed at you’re (!) band, it’s a vast generalisation about bands in general, and I am sure they are lovely people. This is leaving personalities aside. You could have someone who cares deeply about tone on every instrument known to man who is an absolute bell end, and I wouldn’t want to play with them. Agreed that the nuances between dirt pedals which you are learning whether it’s Fuzz or RAT bases or germanium vs silicone clipping may be lost, and may not be important, but when it comes to that it will be more like does this song need some form of dirt yes or no, rather than which pedal to do that, as long as the bass tone does not suck. Crass and ignorance is not referring to them as people, it’s to the concept you have laid out about not caring about bass within the context of the overall sound, which is entirely what the OP was about.

@Al Krow you and your fine wines, is that because your in Laaaaaaaaandon and gone all soft.....?! Whats wrong with a good pint of Ale or Cider eh?! To me, every point that has been said on here ‘for’ or ‘against’ (I don’t think anyone is actually against a great tone) is actually making a case FOR a great tone overall. If it sounds wrong, it’s not a great tone, if it sounds great, then it is a great tone no matter the equipment, number of pedals, expense of bass, minutes or hours of tinkering or practice. Some tone can be stonking and get you on your feet and prick your ears up. It really is that simple, and yes I am biased as I am sticking by my original statement. I do genuinely think that the audience does care, but what is more worrisome which @krispn highlighted, is if your band doesn’t care, that is ludicrous, crass and plain ignorant, because you can bet if they were in an audience listening they would probably be the first to comment on someone else’s poor tone.

Plus my basses also sound super nice straight in

@mikel absolutely I add colour to the sound I want with pedals, but as it’s not part of the thread I did not want to get into “this is my signal chain etc.” When I say the sound I want, I mean that modified the way I see fit before it hits amp and cab.

Excellent response Doc. Its nothing against anyone else’s equipment, but re Markbass or not, coloration of sound or etc it’s why I prefer a super clean transparent amp and speakers to transmit the sound I want

I am rapidly finding out about modifying techinque with a 12! Its not easy!

@Al Krow the other thing is to use the 8 for the whole gig, but modify your technique so you can use just the one string if required, instead of the octave

Good man glad to hear it went so well. i am hoping for a band practice this week to test it out, but yes, some of y our songs defo don’t work!

@Al Krow the search continues..... Digitech Whammy gets you close

I’ve had the M900 amp, and I have no complaints about it, great EQ on the clean side. The drive channel ultimately was not my thing, but you can still get a useable sound without it being modern metal for other types of music. Don’t let the oodles of demos fool you, it’s not a pigeonholed amp and will work across genres. I have had not just the amp butbthe VMt and b7k Pedals. If you do want a vintage sound you may find you prefer the b3k circuit, VMT can be a little mushy. I moved mine on for something else, because there was another sound and set up I wanted. You can’t hate the amp, I don’t know anyone that won’t like it, and you may love it, but ultimately you have to play it to see if it’s you, we can’t tell you that. if you want and alternative with an inbuilt drive channel look at the Genzler Magellan 800, that is also very good.

I waited about a year or so, it’s worth it!

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@Al Krow cheers for the reply! So following on from what you say, playing a semi tone out or out of time is not tone related, that’s a tight band and timing. The overall tone of the band is important, and part of that is bass tone, so in my simple mind therefore great bass tone does matter. Now whether you make it the most, least or middle important tone is then discretionary, and will be a variation from song to song within genres. A song where the bass is the song, massively important etc.

@Al Krow thanks for posting this, its interesting to see different viewpoints, and as you took my original quote to start the thread (I don't mind!) then people will know where is stand on it. Couple of things, to pick up on a comment someone said about spending hours obsessing about nuances on tone, I think its absolutely needed, as this obsession provides the right glue for the band, the last 10-20% or whatever percentage you want to give it, will be how it is mixed in front of house, to allow the tone to come forward. I also agree fully with tone for genre but also tone for what instruments that are also being played alongside with. @Al Krow a question back as the OP. Do you think the audience also do not care about the tone of any other instrument in the band? I think we can all agree that a decent/very good singer or front person with charisma can really lift any band, BUT considering you have placed yourself seemingly at the bottom of the importance chart, do you think people give a stuff about the tone of any other instruments, and what is your hierarchy of importance? I am talking across the board here, brass, woodwind, keys, guitar, drums etc. Also do any of these individual instruments matter, or is it a band collective tone?

I would have loved a bongo, but too many dials for me, maybe thats why I needed up with a silver, I have not yet evolved, but I like the black too