Cuzzie

Thats heart breaking an i hope it happens to no-one - I’ve designated driven - taken all the stuff back to a safe place and tried to come back out for last orders just to ensure this does not happen

Not for the first time a complete misunderstanding of the intention of mine (or others) posts, or danger of skim reading and coming to a different conclusion. there is no harm in DI’ng into a PA - but if your PA carries vocals only and DI-ing is not an option, therefore a different solution is reasonable. If your only means of projecting the instrument is an amplifier and cab, having a spare amp is not unreasonable. Having more than 1 driver, using public transport, hiring a vehicle, taking a taxi, getting a dep in for sickness and unavailability - these are all things that can and do happen to ensure a gig goes ahead, correct me if i am wrong they are things you have done with your bands? The only thing that muddies the water is assuming that because what you have does ‘X’ or where you play has Y, then everyone must have the same, its not the case in all situations. Example from experience - Church hall gig, ensured there is a PA for the vocals at least to go through, man with the keys will meet at the designated time to unlock and release and show how to work it. As ever tight turnaround right before the event is to start which includes setting the place up for the event - Keys man is a no show due to illness, ring around trying to get keys and busy ourselves with the other stuff, eventually someone comes, PA is not working - Yes i did take a spare PA and yes the drummer had the acoustic and electric kit so we could pick the appropriate one to match the systems, and yes the designated singer was ill leading up to it so i had to make sure i had to learn all the songs to sing in case, and the band learnt extra more suited to my voice just in case - it was a charity dinner/event and we were the only music/entertainment - it had to happen. Doing your utmost to ensure it goes ahead and to give the best show possible is not nonsense - unavoidable things can of course happen.

That’s the spirit

Exits stage left quickly behind to join for a beverage

It’s a long running Lockdown boredom infused battle for correctness

Exactly, they both are - it all started 55 million years ago when it was said a P pick up is not a humbucker, and i said thats incorrect and the rolling stone gathered moss

By doubling down on parlance and other stuff - Humbucker gate has become befuddled and entrenched - its not they they can be hum cancelling, they ARE hum cancelling/bucking. Them being called a P pick up has never been in dispute. The difference is the field of action between a split coil and an M type pick up, hence sonic differences aside from types of magnets, windings, pole pieces, positions etc.

Mine are already Bill Withered-but totally agree

This is the road to rack and ruin but true enlightenment

TI’s are wonderful strings- glad you are finding a combo you like. Jaime does have a wait being a small operation - if i can make the SW bash I’ll bring my Precision with the Creamery’s in so you can have a good old play and then wipe down after of course! (The bass before anyone gets excited)

Found the text next to the picture you used in case you missed it, and aren’t soap bars usually a term reserved for another pick up rather than the M, just for parlance sake of course...................

APB-1 one as well - its really useful what they do alongside their pickups to give you a flavour of if it is your thing

This is a really difficult topic as its your ears that will completely govern this one. I agree for sure on those Aggie pick ups and they seem to suit you from what you say. Maybe look at how pick ups are potted or not is something that may have an effect. Possibly you just like that rawness

Oh i dunno, a fool no doubt, don’t listen to a word they have to say

Maybe its poorly worded, poorly chosen example - the photographer is probably a better one, but it was more born out of the fact some people take extra stuff as a back up or insurance policy, and of course you don’t want to use it, because if you have to it means something of yours has broken and can be expensive to fix as per @Paul S identified. There is always a solution, if you have a variety of solutions.....

I had a similar one but a 5 banger - very reasonable second hand!

Quite.........🤦🏾‍♂️ Even if I said go just PA no amp you’ll probably become Mary Mary and take the opposite view. There are some posts on here outlining this is not always possible, that is the simple point being made

Once you have a template - it will be no more fiddly really to rout (obviously machines do it now) and popping and wiring one in won’t be much more hassle either

Had a feeling this would come out, or maybe second home cost etc. As said earlier it fully depends on what PA you are using - if it is vocal only and Bass will not /cannot go through then you should bring along a safety net. If your safety net is an extra ‘x’ number of pounds spent on a PA system for this eventuality then you are fine, or it could be spent on a spare amp. You are also protecting your brand, band, future bookings and the people you are playing to. There are a myriad or Possibilities depending what the circumstances, but it needs to be right for your and the venue’s set up. If you want to quibble the home insurance example, how about a wedding Photographer - would you risk that because your camera has never crapped out you wouldn’t take a spare? If your camera failed then you could use your smart phone, borrow someone’s smart phone or small digital camera, or would you take a second camera? A few bad reviews even off one event can hurt.

What about the guys who have carried and used a back up? It may be the minority, but I would prefer (as I think we all would) to have home insurance and it never be used rather than think it’s never going to be used, don’t have it and then something awful happens and you are stuck.

They probably had me doing the routing that day.......

Typically it will be ‘sold’ as having a tighter lower end on the EA, so i am more referring to the EA staying static and you are right the DG will shift moving more towards the ‘fuller’ end of the spectrum. As you say there will be a variance across the spectrum depending on what is being moved. With a reverse type line up you are making the DG sound a bit more like a 51P type bass

Illustrates exactly what is going on - for reference my snake oil point was if someone reverses the appearance but leaves the pick up in the same place and tries to sell it as a true reverse which would be positional change as well

It’s like most people said it utterly depends on the venue and what kit is being used. If the PA you have is vocals only, then the powered/amplified instruments need a back up solution. Even If your amp is going through the PA, but is crucial to your tone/sound you need a viable alternative for failure which can come in all sorts of solutions. Same with a bass for me - a double gig bag is barely anymore hassle than a single one - if my main one was active - I’d take a passive back up even though I check the battery just due to Sod’s law

Exactly this - if your reversed P top split coil is on exactly the same place as the standard - it will sound pretty much the same and you have been sold snake oil just on appearances and hubris without Due diligence. Something with a single J type pick up (which could of course be dual coil and humbucking) slanted either way would give a similar sound as you would expect. How about an M type humbucker - you could have a Quadcoil in there and depending on how it’s wired flip between a standard and reverse setting or a straight up jazz. I think a proper reverse P bringing it closer to the bridge is great in a PJ PM setting as it just tightens everything up just a tad to allow a great blend between the 2 as you wish