Cuzzie

Maybe yes if that’s the only way, but your UK based musician who would normally tour with the artist, is possibly frozen out, and like you say if they previously had a visa to enter Europe, but now need one for Europe and U.K., doesn’t make sense for them, so not only does he/she not get the european gigs, but doesn’t get the U.K. ones either.

Read all comments on this subject, and this is a slight aside as it’s a different work sector (healthcare I am talking about), but I am not sure how much most people know what a PITA visa applications are and how expensive they are. The conditions for it are rigorous (rightly so) but massively rigid. We had a really good chap who we wanted to keep on, but HR were dragging their feet, and there was a job to be created for this guy. He had to take another job and the Visa is very specific for the job and location he had to do. He couldn’t just take that job and then come back to this one in a few months as it would mean a whole new visa application costing thousands each time and had to uproot family etc. This is just moving jobs between cities in the same country, it will be so much more painful overall for everyone. Back to music, smaller touring artists often have musicians for their band stationed in Europe for when they come to play. The musician stationed in U.K. would usually be fine to play the european leg, is this going to lead to them not getting the work, or the hassle of having multiple musicians stationed in different countries. Its a nightmare, and yes many people will be affected

So long ago I can’t remember where either

At which point does your relationship move to the next level?

You defo can’t touch it.......

It has potential for sure Christmas number one. Thumbs as well as a finger up from me

To be fair, no one wants to hear my playing anyways. Its looking good for coming, hopefully I will bring @foxyFuze again. So what do people want bass wise when not eating spuds. Manufactured: Hamer 12 String, Status stealth, Sandberg MarloweDK, Horner B2ADB with EMG’s Home made: P bass with Creamery 58 P pick up, P bass with status neck and Seymour Duncan APB-1 pick up, Jazz bass with Seymour Duncan Rickenbacker pick ups routed in, tonestyler telecom jazz players and a status neck. (writing this makes me realise I have probably too much stuff.....!) Happy to oblige as best as I can

Have to Mention EPMD again, with Eric Sermon, Redman coming out that crew, Keith Murray Its taking me back.

Great track that. The list of underplayed goes on, Bragadocious rappers like Big L, Leaders of the New School where Busta Rhymes came out from, gritty Gated snares of Mobb Deep, Flows from Del tha funky homosapien, or Digable planets on a different vibe, Boogie Monsters were great on a laid back tip. You have guys that sit in the pocket like Gangstarr and Common who have unbelievable voices. Lets not forget our very own Roots Manuva There is massive variety out there, but you are correct, mainly from the golden era

That’s Jonathon Ross hip hop

Colour me interested too, and I am bristol based!

Is that a rubbish rhyme dissing American rap, or is it an embarrassingly poor typo in the middle of a diss, which makes the diss-pissssss poor, like a fool tripping on his laces walking out the door? I never heard anything like that before(!), but the lack of originality means my jaw don’t drop to the floor, so are you sure you don’t need to spell check yourself before you wreck yourself, coz mistakes in your posts are bad for your health.

I love it, and it doesn’t always work, it’s just people trying stuff, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt!

Morning chaps, looking at logistics and getting the ok from Mrs Cuzzie, but me and @foxyFuze may well be in on this. If I come my amp will be a Tech21 dUg ultrabass and Barefaced SuperTwin Gen 3. I do have a Tech21 VTBass500 that I am probably gonna move on, so if it’s not gone before then people can have a go. Guitar wise, we can do a poll between what I have, some Frankenstein ones I have popped together, other manufactured ones, but I do have a Hamer 12 string I can bring. May have the odd pedal. Hopefully this is not a tease....

It’s a good meander, and is completely on topic IMHO. Race is another tool in the argument I agree, but the unfortunate thing about race, or gender or mental health etc. is that it is a stigma and tool that can be used against someone no matter what the financial status is, Meghan Markle, black sportsmen in the press case in point. But, for you, really glad you are in a community that suits you and provides equality, that’s all we can ask for. For me music across genres is picking out influences, so rap/hip hop done well leans towards blues, soul Motown etc. Even Metal/rock goes across genres. Listen to Helmet and there are a heap of jazz influences in the timings as Paige Hamilton was a jazz musician primarily. Fishbone is ska, punk, reggae, rock all mashed up. Back to hip hop look a band called The Roots - they play all their own instruments and were great live, here is an example

Massively agree with that, great program Rap/hip hop is spoken word to music, admittedly depending on the subcategory there will be rhyming differences, such as grime who repetitively use the same word line after line deliberately for the flow. Some raps are stories, so if you take Jay-Z he is a good story teller or Eminem’s Stan, that does it. the best rap would be like a poem if you turned the music off, which is what Dave’s is

The point I think about what you have said, liking the music aside is that I would argue it does resonate with you and where you came from. Your ‘race’ was your village Society is being fractioned apart, you create an idea of ‘lesser beings’ and you poop on them, currently they are creating again the idea of ‘poor white’ to target them to increase xenophobia. I dont agree with the derogatory nature of some lyrics, or using the N word etc no matter how they package it up, but for a second think about it in reverse, and this is prevalent to the knife crime issues we have. At present this crop/group of people see no light at the end of the tunnel, so they value themselves and others far less than they should, hence the live fast die young attitude, get what you can as it does not last. Yes some break free, see their errors, but not the vast majority. not only whites are racist. As you say, there is a white privilege, and yes you have it. Yes if we stood me next to you and we were hanging I’d probably get a second or 3rd glance above you. There are a huge number of other stats out there - I am not militant so won’t go into them. However, it’s not always a privilege. Stand us next to each other on a dance floor, they would expect me to be better, start of a sprint race, expect me to win, start of a swimming race, expect you to win! But, what is good is talking about it, and if you perceive injustice no matter how minor, not just race, but gender, and it can be simple things like a missed promotion, salary raise etc then we can all voice it and help the change to normality.

Oh and DJ Format

That’s quality. @Mykesbass are we just talking recent rap, or we digging up old tunes, bearing in mind I haven’t read all pages. i have just been listening to Black moon and Mobb Deep as well as the Chef Raekwon

But you listened and took the time to watch - that makes you every bit cool

I think there is a difference between hatred and letting people know actually his stuff is real and still goes on, if you listen closely he talks about rehabilitation being needed, and the need to show more positivity. If we take the race side of things out of one of his points, is it not a tragedy that people from Grenfell towers are still homeless? Maybe race/poverty/social class is an issue there. You can probably safely say if a block of penthouse Appartments in Chelsea or Park Lane or somewhere like that burnt down, something may well have been done by now....? Being different from the ‘norm’ is an issue whether it’s race, gender or mental health, private vs state school education, North vs South, fat, skinny etc. I do reiterate this that I wager most people on here are moderate, so none of these things are issues for them as they would not see these ‘differences’ as barriers, it’s uncomfortable because it feels wrong as you/we know better, but for the majority of folk out there they will see a difference and discriminate. I don’t mind telling a story. Rugby club I played at had an old dear who did the teas, brilliant lovely woman, kind of one you want for a gran or a great aunt. She came out to the others and me one day with “I don’t like black kids, they are always up to no good” Obvious response was, “You cant say that! What about Cuzzie?” (I is a bit black) ”Oh not him, he’s different” and I get my usual cuddle. No madness from me, it’s the exposure she has had, but she slowly changed her views. Many people won’t based on ignorance, or even worse actively discriminate. This stuff needs to be out there, and people who are moderate need to be encouraged to have a word if they see something not socially right going on, it’s the ripple effect. This music will reach much more people in a way compared if he wrote it and placed it in a blog, or in print, and hopefully do some good as well as provide enjoyment.

Personal preferences aside, my view is that the major exposure to rap is from US rap be it East vs West coast, but real hip hop probably died in 1996 or around then, with only the odd flash here and there. For too long british rap was held back because of under investment, but also wanting/needing to sound like US rappers to be able to sell, and then getting chastised for not sounding british, then if they sounded british, it’s not like US rap! Grime is not rap, it’s it’s own genre and way and is moving away and being recognised on its own which is a good thing IMO. Across the genres it’s not always the best ‘rappers’ that succeed I can name a bucket load that didn’t ascend as high as they should, BUT....... the best speaking vocalists or rappers that have an impact are also orators, case in point Zak De La Roche of RATM - not a rapper but an orator, much like Dave has done here, that’s a profound impact.

Dave aside - what struck was the amount of talent Britain has, we should be proud - some very decent artists out there. Celeste was at her haunting voiced best

As promised quality wise

Probably - Pah to the press