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[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1362744165' post='2004087'] There are videos of Joe Pass and NHOP on YouTube. Fairly tricky stuff though! [/quote] Cheers! Those are some great vids - I think it's fair to say that ability-wise we inhabit a very different universe...but there are some nice ideas in terms of arrangements and feel that we might be able to learn from. Thanks for sharing

[quote name='Chambo' timestamp='1362742778' post='2004060'] Ah! I thought that 3/4 was for learning [/quote] Yep, it's only 75% as difficult as a full-sized one

Hi there Myself and a guitarist friend have been playing though a few jazz standards for a while and we're thinking about gigging at some point. Does anyone have any examples of 'proper' guitar/bass (+ poss drums) bands that we can use for inspiration and ideas? We're interested in playing bebop and newer (as opposed to gypsy/trad stuff). I love the likes of Bill Evans' and Brad Mehldau's trios, and it's obviously possible to learn a lot from them, but equivalents with guitar seem a bit rarer. Anyway, all suggestions will be gratefully received.... Cheers

[quote name='mtroun' timestamp='1361553536' post='1987510'] You aware that this is a (brilliant) joke video? One for the jazz geeks (that's me) [/quote] Haha, I didn't realise that this was the 'shred' version. The original video has a few shots where you can see PC playing the line

In this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCz--kHbTs I think he plays the A on the G string, then up the fingerboard for the rest on the G as people have said above. I found this a bit tricky at first, but I'm getting better verrryyy slowly...

[quote name='Antiloco' timestamp='1360217997' post='1966768'] That's a pretty shallow statement but hey, whatever makes you happy. [/quote] As are the self-quotes in your signature, especially the one about expensive basses.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1359496976' post='1955846'] My fave [media]http://youtu.be/beQ9yChEcHw[/media] [/quote] "Are you talking about a girl with a beautiful smile, like strawberry wine?" - genius!

I'm on a bit of a budget (i.e. can't afford GK/Acoustic Image gear) and I use a Roland Bass Cube 100 - it works pretty well for me. However, I did also shell out for a Fishman Platinum Pro as suggested above by @thisnameistaken, which makes a huge difference.

[quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1358441316' post='1939260'] How about The Meters? [/quote] +1. Cissy Strut is a great tune - pretty easy to learn, no horns and it's from the 60s (just!)

I think it's one of those "diminishing returns" arguments. If you take a baseline playable bass like a well-setup Squier for example, the question is how much more money will improve your sound, compared to working on improving technique? My guess is that the latter wins hands down, and everything else is pure GAS for the sake of it. But then I'm very tight with money so I would say that

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1354893832' post='1891736'] Here's a video of him playing a very busy line in live setting and to my ears he pulls it off in a convincing manner , even if it does sound a bit 1980s ( not neccesarily a bad thing ) : Sounds like a pro to me . [/quote] He's a much better player than me but some of his note choices are a bit ropey IMHO. However, unlike me he's actually out there playing music so I say good luck to him!

[quote name='Jimryan' timestamp='1353620115' post='1876759'] I really quite like the idea of one bass. No "what one today" thoughts, just pick up one case and I'm off. [/quote] I agree with this bit - I find that the amount of time I spend thinking about basses is inversely proportional to the amount of time that I spend actually playing the things so I tend to follow the "less is more" principle, although if I were gigging regularly I'd probably invest in a Squier or something for backup.

[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1351615873' post='1853313'] the poor old bass guitar doesn't get much of a look in now. [/quote] Yep, I'm the same. I have the DB leaning in a corner of my kitchen which makes it really easy to have a quick noodle whenever the fancy takes me. However, it also instantly lets everyone know where I am and that I'm not doing whatever I was supposed to be doing

[quote name='barkin' timestamp='1351010750' post='1846210'] You're right - staying in watching X Factor is almost exactly the same as going to a gig. [/quote] IMHO this depends on the gig. If the gig consists of lifeless pap that's devoid of any creativity then (musically at least) I'd say it's on a par with staying in and watching the X Factor, although depending on the beer and clientele, the overall experience may be better

I learned to play congas after playing bass for 20 years and I found it improved me as a bass player so I say go for it! Not sure if you're into the music or not, but learning to play Cuban rhythms can be a lot of fun and there are loads of vids on YouTube if you're interested.

An interesting,but more expensive,alternative might be a marimbula. It's like a giant bass thumb piano :- http://www.thomann.de/ie/mobile_prod.html?AR=164445 I haven't tried one but they're used in some older Cuban music and they sound nice.

I have to say that I'm broadly with Bilbo on this. The kick drum in "straight ahead" jazz doesn't act as timekeeper like it tends to in other genres - the walking bass line (along with the ride cymbal) does this, and the 'thump' that you get from DB just does a better job of defining the rhythm IMO.

[quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1345123493' post='1773854'] Can i just ask - what is a double stop? [/quote] playing two strings at once - a 'two note chord ' if you like. I think the term is used a lot more for orchestral string instruments like violins etc, but it's appropriate for bass guitar as well.

I was wondering the same thing. I've been lusting after some form of Baby Bass for years but you hardly ever see them on this side of the pond. These KK ones seem reasonably priced so if they have anything like that authentic Ampeg thump they'd be a great addition to the Latin band that I play in. Now I just need to rustle up the cash, which will probably take me several years

The Jazz Bass Book by John Goldsby is well worth adding to the list. It has extensive biogs of players, a great CD, and really nice theory/instructional section.

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1338988726' post='1682005'] I find that the stuff I play on electric and double bass are completely different. With very few exceptions, I see very little commonality, conceptually, between the two instruments and lines that work on eb are different to those that work on db. I am hearing a different thing entirely. [/quote] To me, it depends on which type of music I'm playing. I much prefer the DB for jazz and latin music, but playing fingerstyle funk lines on a DB, while possible, is bloody hard work and doesn't sound as good IMHO. Having said that, I managed to play a passable version of Cissy Strut by the Meters last night because I couldn't arsed to get my BG out....

That Paco De Lucia clip is great. Unfortunately, it always reminds of this "version" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89zM9pZzt0U

This is completely subjective on my part, but there's something about the best drum grooves where the hi hats or ride stay fairly constant but the bass drum and snare do the main work. Whereas the problem with the big flash style of drumming is that it breaks the groove up completely while the drummer goes round the entire kit showing off his technique.

[quote name='Lazy James' timestamp='1329658959' post='1545398'] Currently wondering whether to buy from Thomann or wait to see if anything comes up used [/quote] I did the latter, and I don't regret it - I was lucky and got a decent mid-range Shen for a lot less than the Thomann basses I was going to buy. I'd recommend looking for something used for a few months if you can stand to wait.