SpondonBassed

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1493906238' post='3291718'] 'Fraid not, I'm from the distant past (1950...), just before Leo's inspiration... [/quote] 'Fraid so. Leo wasn't the first. This might be of interest; http://www.musicradar.com/news/bass/the-history-of-the-electric-bass-part-one-the-early-days-507234 "The bass revolution really started with the introduction of electronics and amplification and for the earliest examples we have to look at the Vega Electric Bass Viol from the 1930s, the Electrified Double Bass from Regal in 1936 and Rickenbacker with their Electro Bass-Viol from around the same time. These were essentially the centre part of an upright bass from headstock to end pin so no prizes for guessing where the designs for the skeletal electric uprights of the 1990s came from!"

Good one. The way it's looking at the moment he will be giving me a lift to the Bash. I will be into him for petrol money but I ain't gonna try and slip a twenty in his waistband unless he's an exceptional pole dancer.

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1493900589' post='3291648'] ...Or does nobody use banks anymore? You know... big buildings... 'BANK' written on the outside... most high streets have them? Ring any bells? [/quote] Oh BOY!!! Do not get me started on that. The last remaining branch of GnatPest I am expected to use has turned into an outlet like the mobile 'phone high street business model. It even has music blasting down from the ceiling! I now use the small business branch like a lot of others. It still behaves in the manner expected of a bank. In the queue yesterday, a woman at the window in front of me asked if the bank could reject non-business customers because the queue was a little too long for her. The cashier told her without rejecting her outright that that simply wasn't possible and that it was something that the bank is aware of. I almost spoke out and said what was on my mind - "Get used to it Missus, this is just the start."

[quote name='Al Krow' timestamp='1493897972' post='3291595'] ...need to be spent by Friday night otherwise they become worthless. [/quote] Not true. The banks will still exchange them. This morning it was said that they would "always" accept paper fives. Fake News

Hahahahaha

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1493893617' post='3291553'] I think I'd prefer (and do more justice to..! ) a 1950 maple Gretsch kit, if I was pushed. It would need to be switched around to 'lefty', of course, and I'd change the resonant head for an uncut. Nice, eh..? [/quote] Nicely avoided. I thought you played bass as well. The kit is nice and I think the resonant head refers to the bass drum's "reflex port" but that's all I can relate to, sorry. I was pulling your leg when I mentioned a modified upright as being of your era. Never-the-less there must be an example of a bass from your YoB. No?

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1493897250' post='3291586'] This. My YOB (1960) makes it too expensive so I have had to settle for a '66 P bass and now lie about my age [/quote] Yeah man. Justify! Hahahahaha

Looks very nice for its age. I am only two years older than it but I look totally knackered. I'm locked in for the follow up.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1493846590' post='3291303'] Luckily, some of us are not worried about YOB, either, so that's no big deal..! [/quote] So... a modified upright for you? Heeheehee

I was interested to see what the 'net says is the first electric bass and this came up; [url="http://simongouldingmusic.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/interestingthe-first-electric-bass.html"]http://simongoulding...ctric-bass.html[/url] [attachment=244609:1937AudiovoxElectricBass.png] It says - "This is the first electric bass guitar. The Tutmarc AudioVox 736 dated 1937." That would be the YOB axe for an eighty year old. How many of our members are now left with no YOB bass to choose? Can we include modified uprights perhaps so as not to exclude anyone?

[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1493848171' post='3291330'] Hmmm..Interesting way of thinking about it....I'll have to ponder on that.. [/quote] Then you might be in direct competition with me for my desired YOB axe; [attachment=244608:1962HofnerBass.png] [url="http://www.soundaffectspremier.com/guitars-c93/bass-guitars-c97/1962-reissue-violin-bass-guitar-h500-1-62-p2221"]http://www.soundaffe...h500-1-62-p2221[/url] Am I going to have to fight you for it? It might be wise not to choose the same bass as me as an assassination can often cause offence.

That was a good year that was..... I was born in the August. Just because my birthday is towards the end of the year I am not so desperate as to claim a year younger YOB instrument just to pull more totty however. I am well over myself since I've been treated for the urges. Still, they can't do you for it TheGreek. Go for it!

Aw, catch yer at the next 'un then.

Never mind, it's probably nothing.

[quote name='T-Bay' timestamp='1493825247' post='3291023'] Sadly I am out :-( Dad's taxi services taking priority on a Brownie day out. Will make the next one with any luck. [/quote] Make their day out a trip to the Bass Bash. Like take your daughters to work day only you're taking everyone else's too... Can't hurt to get them interested in the low frequencies early on now can it? Unless there's a stripper no-one's mentioned booking...?

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1493824350' post='3291008'] First off, I assume you mean 432 rather than 332. Tiny pedantic point. Secondly, in fact there is the same relationship - precisely the same in ratio terms - that's just how scales work. Sorry if that appears pedantic and dull but numbers are numbers, and that's just how they work in this situation. In all honesty I can't think what else you might mean, and I'm really not trying to be confrontational or picky. Perhaps an example: (procedural note: I'll use Just Intonation 'cos the numbers are easier to appreciate for non-mathematicians, but it works in exactly the same way with Equal Temperament) If you play A at 440Hz, and then play a perfect fifth above it you get an E at 660Hz. The ratio E:A is 660:440 = 3:2 If you play A at 432Hz, and then play a perfect fifth above it you get an E at 648Hz. The ratio E:A is 648:432 = 3:2 [/quote] Yes, my mistake, it should have been 432. I have always had this problem with numbers. No I don't think you're being pedantic but I do think you are overlooking something. Let's say for examples 1 and 2 in the clip we change the scale by lowering A by 8hz. If we do this by slowing down the clip as if it was an analogue recording the tempo changes ever so slightly too. All relationships are preserved. The total number of oscillations in a given bar would remain the same in the resulting examples. If we do this by changing the pitch of the notes but let the tempo and note durations remain the same as it seems they might be in the clip I'd say you get more oscillations per bar for an increase in pitch and less for a decrease. But I am just your average thicko. PS: I was assuming that you were describing the relationships in the example where the notes are in a tune but I think you might just be thinking of notes relative to each other but not actually being played.

[quote name='j1mu5' timestamp='1493634231' post='3289522'] I'm really hoping it will be a useful experience and have to agree it really is a terrifying prospect at the moment but will be good to meet new people. [/quote] I went to my first Bash last October with similar feelings. More so perhaps because it was a double bass bash and I don't play upright. I was curious and it was a great opportunity to meet some of the characters on here. I think you'll get something out of it, if only cake... See you there.

[quote name='DaveFry' timestamp='1493812214' post='3290827'] Autistic-pianist-learning-upright-bass here contributing : I also enjoy sound-to-colour synaesthesia , and I find the colours in 432 more saturated , although I don't expect anyone to believe that now . @ Leftybassman ; Ambient is not necessarily bound to equal temperament ; he plays solo 7-string fretless . [/quote] Sound-to-colour synaesthesia's something that fascinates me. I may have had a similar experience on drugs as a youth but for the most part I can't experience that sensory crossover myself. Do you enjoy it as a matter of course or does it become an inconvenience? I mean, I think I feel a slight difference in mood between 440 and 332 but I can only perceive it in a comparison. You say you can actually see a difference! I'd say that's a great talent to have.

[quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1493806246' post='3290753'] It's only sort of a standard anyway.. [url="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch"]https://en.m.wikiped...i/Concert_pitch[/url] Apparently we need to tune to an oboe [/quote] Girlfriend's got an oboe... oh no (Even [i]I[/i] miss Mozzer sometimes)

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1493806145' post='3290750'] (My emphasis) I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the highlighted remark. [/quote] I'm sorry. I am not usually stuck for words but I find it hard to describe the notion. Think of it this way: Had the OP's clip got the same chap playing but instead of him doing it in two different tunings he just slowed the clip enough to get 332 from a 440 clip I would have little difficulty in accepting that the harmonic relationships are preserved as they are with key changes. If however the chappie plays exactly at the same tempo with different pitches, there isn't the same relationship. Can't happen in fact. I can accept that we humans can not perceive the difference but that is not to say that it does not exist. That's just how it strikes me. Maybe someone else can put it better than I.

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1493805069' post='3290735'] Not wishing to sound like a know-it-all, but in terms of harmonic relationships there's no difference between them. <snip> Nothing wrong with tuning to 432Hz of course - knock yourself out - but the accepted standard has for some time been 440Hz. In audio terms the difference in pitch is barely perceptible; how much of a difference this would make to the listening experience is debatable at best [/quote] In keeping with the debate; I haven't any information on whether there was a minute change in the tempo of the examples given that would be in proportion to the change in frequency of the notes played. Such a difference in tempo would have to be so small as to be virtually insignificant to the human ear yet it must exist. Whether a human musician could actually be that accurate is also debatable. If however the tempo for each example remains constant it would follow that note durations would also be constant. If the only variable is the note frequency, would that not have an effect perceptible or otherwise on an unchanged frame imposed by tempo?

That was interesting, thank you. I'd say the 332 examples felt subdued, not quite gloomy but tending that way, in comparison with the 440 examples. Those made me feel more "on it" and upbeat somehow. To say that they sounded brighter stands to reason I suppose. I don't really know if I'd feel the same way about the examples heard in isolation. It might be worth listening to one group (either of 332 or 440 examples) later but played back by a friend who doesn't let on which. I'd love to see if I can then tell which is which just for a laff. Interestingly, my listening companion said he thought the 440 examples were "mellower". I thought the 332 examples were mellower so it's a subjective thing. Confirms what we already know about music; It's in the ear of the beholder.

The Oldfield Branson relationship seems to have worked well enough in the final sum of things. I mean, if Tubular Bells wasn't experimental in its day what [i]was[/i]? Maybe you should to talk to a teen entrepreneur. I am not entirely serious of course but there is precedent.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1493586018' post='3289304'] You should make a complaint and demand a refund for the postage costs as they failed to deliver. [/quote] I did that when my Tax Return documents got shoved through without a knock. The envelope was torn so that the contents were visible. It had a "Signed For" sticker. I suffered about 40 minutes of telephone hell with the Royal Mail before I got to the relevant person. They offered nothing other than to take note. I rang HMRC and again suffered over half an hour of automated telephone annoyance. I told the HMRC rep that they were paying for a service that, in this instance, was not carried through as per the terms. In other words the item was not signed for. No attempt had been made to ask for a signature either. I know because I was there at the time. HMRC didn't seem all that bothered! Nearly an hour and a half to make a simple complaint by telephone is [u]not[/u] acceptable. Having tried it once, I wouldn't waste my time with them again on someone else's behalf. Crikey, even if I had paid for the "Signed For" sticker myself and later found it had been ignored, I'd think twice about complaining. Life is too short as it is without wasting it on paper pushers. I agree though. You should complain.

[quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1493585447' post='3289292'] The one thing missing is sometimes they dont ring. I've been home waiting for deliveries , ( yes plural cos it's happened more than once ) and wondered where they got to, only to think the postie never turned up Next day, check letterbox ( i live in a block so make a once a day visit to the ground floor ) and find they simply stuck a card and in and hot footed it [/quote] This is precisely the nub of this topic. There was no audible ring or knock.