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SOLD ... £130 2x10 converted cab, Markbass speakers loaded.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Amps and Cabs For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1374949528' post='2155190'] PRICE SHOULD READ £130. (Possible part trade for a markbass LM3) Had a would be buyer for the cab but lost contact so back up for a new price.... Behringer 'Ultra' 2x10 cabinet with two 10" Markbass speakers now installed. Very good sound. NO tweeter/crossover. This is not to be confused with a real Markbass 2x10 of course but it makes a pretty good racket compared to my real Markbass stuff. The cab itself is not made from the high quality wood that Markbass use hence the sound difference for a start but it is a very good sound, slightly more bass end than a 2x10 Traveller. It is a bigger cab than the 2x10 Traveller. It has large side handles and two recessed edge wheels. Weighs about 22kg. Cab is 'carpet' covered, couple of tears for me to glue down but pretty good nick otherwise. (I did find a courier price for UK at about £20 but that price would need checking). [/quote] BUMP -
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[quote name='dasbear69' timestamp='1377674477' post='2190065'] Hi Everyone I own a Maya electric bass (jazz Bass) I use elites groundwound strings love the feel off them and the bass play amazing to me, brought it for £150 6 months ago But when it comes to the sound it is muddy. Was thinking delano and GLOCKENKLANG preamp but your looking at near £300 for that. Does anyone have a cheaper solution? [/quote] maybe Seymour Duncan passive or active jazz pups, no preamp at first to see if it sounds good enough without one.
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SOLD ... £130 2x10 converted cab, Markbass speakers loaded.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Amps and Cabs For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1374949528' post='2155190'] PRICE SHOULD READ £175. Possible trade against a markbass LM3 (I cannot edit the "price or Trade Value" box). I took a Behringer 'Ultra' 2x10 cab (blown speakers) and stripped it out, no tweeter/crossover. I've mounted 2 Markbass (B&C) speakers in it for an 8 ohm cab and it sounds.... really good. Not to be confused with a real Markbass 2x10 of course but it makes a pretty good racket compared to my real Markbass stuff. The cab itself is not made from the high quality wood that Markbass use hence the sound difference for a start but it is a very good sound close up. It is a bigger cab than the 2x10 Traveller. It has large side handles and two recessed edge wheels. Weighs about 22kg. Cab is 'carpet' covered, couple of tears for me to glue down but pretty good nick otherwise. A decent 2x10 for a budget and to couple with a 15" cab. [/quote]bump -
SOLD ... £130 2x10 converted cab, Markbass speakers loaded.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Amps and Cabs For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1374949528' post='2155190'] I WILL BE IN THE TEWKSBURY / EVESHAM VALE AREA FROM 14th AUG----18th AUG PRICE SHOULD READ £175. (I cannot edit the "price or Trade Value" box). I took a Behringer 'Ultra' 2x10 cab (blown speakers) and stripped it out, no tweeter/crossover. I've mounted 2 Markbass (B&C) speakers in it for an 8 ohm cab and it sounds.... really good. Not to be confused with a real Markbass 2x10 of course but it makes a pretty good racket compared to my real Markbass stuff. The cab itself is not made from the high quality wood that Markbass use hence the sound difference for a start but it is a very good sound close up. It is a bigger cab than the 2x10 Traveller. It has large side handles and two recessed edge wheels. Weighs about 22kg. Cab is 'carpet' covered, couple of tears for me to glue down but pretty good nick otherwise. A decent 2x10 for a budget and to couple with a 15" cab. [/quote] BUMP -
SOLD ... £130 2x10 converted cab, Markbass speakers loaded.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Amps and Cabs For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1374949528' post='2155190'] PRICE SHOULD READ £200. (I cannot edit the "price or Trade Value" box). I took a Behringer 'Ultra' 2x10 cab (blown speakers) and stripped it out, no tweeter/crossover. I've mounted 2 Markbass (B&C) speakers in it for an 8 ohm cab and it sounds.... really good. Not to be confused with a real Markbass 2x10 of course but it makes a pretty good racket compared to my real Markbass stuff. The cab itself is not made from the high quality wood that Markbass use hence the sound difference for a start but it is a very good sound close up. It is a bigger cab than the 2x10 Traveller. It has large side handles and two recessed edge wheels. Weighs about 22kg. Cab is 'carpet' covered, couple of tears for me to glue down but pretty good nick otherwise. A decent 2x10 for a budget and to couple with a 15" cab. [/quote] Bump -
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PRICE SHOULD READ £130. (could look at part trade for a markbass LM3) 8 Ohm ... 400 watt ... single jack input left open on the back using the original Behringer plate. Had a would be buyer for the cab but lost contact so back up for a new 'basschat' price.... Two 10" Markbass speakers now installed into this Behringer cabinet. NO tweeter/crossover, direct speaker sound. This cab sounds really good alongside my Markbass 2x10 cabs. The cab itself is not made from the high quality wood that Markbass use hence any sonic difference but it is an excellent sound with slightly more bass end so maybe a bit 'louder' than a MB 2x10 Traveller. It is a bigger cab than the 2x10 Traveller. It has large side handles and two recessed edge wheels. Weighs about 22kg. Cab is 'carpet' covered, couple of tears glued down but pretty good nick otherwise. (I did find a courier price for UK at about £20 but that price would need checking).
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[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1364663247' post='2029418'] Keen interest from a few people but no sale at the old price....must really try and get this moved on so a price drop to £650. Might be an old soft case in the garage I can throw in too. Mp3 sample is available by email. This recording is direct off the bass guitar, through a Yamaha desk, no effects or compression used, just the straight DI signal. [b]Specifications:… [/b] [b]Lightweight 6 lb 12 oz. SINGLE piece Swamp Ash body wood finished with eight coats of "Tru Oil". [/b] [b]Three piece rock maple wood neck. [/b] [b]34" Scale.[/b] [b]Nut width @ 1.5+ inches/almost 40mm. ( A little over a Jazz bass width)...[/b] [b]12th "fret" @ 2.1"/55mm.[/b] [b]Neck depth: Nut … almost 1"/ 25mm …. [/b] [b]12th fret..almost 1 1/8th" 27mm.[/b] [b]Ebony fingerboard @ 6.5mm middle thickness.[/b] [b]Approx. compound radius of 10" nut end to higher end 15".[/b] [b]Fingerboard has had a coat of Yamaha Bore oil.[/b] [b]Large 3mm side "black" abalone dots.[/b] [b]Note..side position dots are where the fret(s) would have been.[/b] [b]The 1st and 2nd octave position have double dots to be played centre of these two dots.[/b] [b]The neck is a bolt on design, joined by four recessed alan key head bolts that thread through the body[/b] [b]into brass threaded inserts in the neck wood.[/b] [b]Maple neck and headstock rear finish is Danish oil.[/b] [b]Headstock front finish is "Tru oil".[/b] [b]Headstock rear has a Walnut veneer.[/b] [b]Seymour Duncan "Active Jazz AJJ" pickups. (Single battery power quoted on SD site as approx. 1000 hours battery life).[/b] [b]Tone and Volume controls for each pickup.[/b] [b]Stereo barrel jack output, engages battery on jack plug input.[/b] [b]Schaller black "3D" bridge used for string width, height and intonation setting. Currently approx. 19 mm string spacing.[/b] [b]Schaller black machine heads.[/b] [b]Currently strung with "Galli" nickel strings of 105/85/65/45 gauge.[/b] [/quote] Bump for price drop
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[quote name='spongebob' timestamp='1373574560' post='2139287'] I bought a pre-2012 US Standard Jazz about a month ago. Brand new, old stock. Upon purchase, it was clear the neck needed adjustment - like playing a banana! Had a full set up....but within a couple of weeks, the neck had returned to the same position it started from. Relief through the roof. Took it back and it was tweaked again. But here we are a week later, and it's back there yet again! I've never had this before.....do I have a problem? I can go on adjusting on a weekly basis forever?? [/quote] Could be the fret slots were not the right width for the actual frets. I think this was the problem on a Fender neck that I had problems with. I read many years ago that if for any reason the frets are 'forced' by a press/machine into slots that are slightly too narrow, the neck can be 'forced', possible back bow but definite unstablility. My Fender neck would not settle in and caused problems on a tour. A replacement neck has sorted this and the old neck now de-fretted may become a fretless.
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[quote name='hubrad' timestamp='1373639714' post='2140060'] What BidRedX said, but also the bottom of the slot is just as important - unevenness or a bit of muck in there causes just as many problems. Could be worth a visit to an acoustic luthier experienced in undersaddles. [/quote] Yes hubrad, I'm thinking the two pickups I've used are old designs and construction and so maybe a complete new system is needed....
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[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1373633300' post='2139914'] One of the common reasons for uneven response across strings is that the saddle isn't in proper contact along it's full length. Take it out and check that the bottom is flat and there's no visible damage to the transducer below it before looking at swapping any of the electronics [/quote] Yes you are right there BigRedX...I have done this before. Each time I 're-set' the pickup into the bridge I get a different string response. One time it does low volume off the g string, the next time I 'reset' it the g is fine but the E string is low volume. I need to find a pickup that is of a decent thickness/make.
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I've been having trouble with my fretless Washburn AB 20 under bridge transducer pickup. Uneven string response has dogged this bass for many years so I now want to try and replace the pickup or system. It has a Taylor/Fishman control board that works okay. I've made several calls (uneventful, bordering on quite useless) to Washburn. I have been looking at an Epiphone replacement transducer. Anyone got an acoustic with a really good even response pickup or ideas of a decent replacement? (This Washburn model has a slatted sound hole).
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Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1359210689' post='1951608'] mP3 soundclip now added. The bass was recorded direct through a Yamaha desk, no effects of compression added, just the straight DI signal. I would be interested in a trade on this bass for a Markbass 3 and Markbass HF 2x10 (single front port, not the Traveller) A four string headless bass with some very nice pieces of wood involved in it's build...... Old mahogany wood on the back with a very nice 'sheen' to it. A very nice piece of black walnut on the top. The neck is a 5 piece maple/wenge 34" scale with a Macassar unlined ebony fingerboard which is excellent for fretless bass with large 3mm side dots. (Macassar is very often used for double bass fingerboards, not quite as 'hard' a sound as black ebony). Two Seymour Duncan pickups (non active) with volume, pan and tone controls. The licensed tuning mechanism with the end string retainer (which is slightly marked) was bought as a 'seconds' unit so I can't say this part is new. (New complete units were extremely expensive when I was looking as opposed to these licensed units). I've built quite a few basses as orders and for myself over the past 18 years as a 'part time luthier', aside from keeping up being a full time player. The body design was taken from the top bout of a P bass with my own lower bout design with the 'violin' type cutaway. A correct size 'headless' Warwick gig bag is supplied with the bass. It is lovely to play, big sound with these pups, strong sturdy neck with two strap holders at the end for choice of position/angle of the bass when worn. The bass has sat around the 'bass cupboard' at home for 3/4 years now so it looks like I'm not a headless bass player! (sic) Visitors welcome to try it out through some Markbass gear. Considering parts cost and labour I would be looking for ........ NOW £700 [/quote] bump -
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1364663247' post='2029418'] Mp3 sample added.....this recording is direct off the bass, through a Yamaha desk, no effects or compression used, just the straight DI signal. [b]Specifications:… [/b] [b]Lightweight 6 lb 12 oz. SINGLE piece Swamp Ash body wood finished with eight coats of "Tru Oil". [/b] [b]Three piece rock maple wood neck. [/b] [b]34" Scale.[/b] [b]Nut width @ 1.5+ inches/almost 40mm. ( A little over a Jazz bass width)...[/b] [b]12th "fret" @ 2.1"/55mm.[/b] [b]Neck depth: Nut … almost 1"/ 25mm …. [/b] [b]12th fret..almost 1 1/8th" 27mm.[/b] [b]Ebony fingerboard @ 6.5mm middle thickness.[/b] [b]Approx. compound radius of 10" nut end to higher end 15".[/b] [b]Fingerboard has had a coat of Yamaha Bore oil.[/b] [b]Large 3mm side "black" abalone dots.[/b] [b]Note..side position dots are where the fret(s) would have been.[/b] [b]The 1st and 2nd octave position have double dots to be played centre of these two dots.[/b] [b]The neck is a bolt on design, joined by four recessed alan key head bolts that thread through the body[/b] [b]into brass threaded inserts in the neck wood.[/b] [b]Maple neck and headstock rear finish is Danish oil.[/b] [b]Headstock front finish is "Tru oil".[/b] [b]Headstock rear has a Walnut veneer.[/b] [b]Seymour Duncan "Active Jazz AJJ" pickups. (Single battery power quoted on SD site as approx. 1000 hours battery life).[/b] [b]Tone and Volume controls for each pickup.[/b] [b]Stereo barrel jack output, engages battery on jack plug input.[/b] [b]Schaller black "3D" bridge used for string width, height and intonation setting. Currently approx. 19 mm string spacing.[/b] [b]Schaller black machine heads.[/b] [b]Currently strung with "Galli" nickel strings of 105/85/65/45 gauge.[/b] [/quote] bump
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Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1359210689' post='1951608'] I would be interested in a trade on this bass for a Markbass 3 and Markbass HF 2x10 (single front port, not the Traveller) A four string headless bass with some very nice pieces of wood involved in it's build...... Old mahogany wood on the back with a very nice 'sheen' to it. A very nice piece of black walnut on the top. The neck is a 5 piece maple/wenge 34" scale with a Macassar unlined ebony fingerboard which is excellent for fretless bass with large 3mm side dots. (Macassar is very often used for double bass fingerboards, not quite as 'hard' a sound as black ebony). Two Seymour Duncan pickups (non active) with volume, pan and tone controls. The licensed tuning mechanism with the end string retainer (which is slightly marked) was bought as a 'seconds' unit so I can't say this part is new. (New complete units were extremely expensive when I was looking as opposed to these licensed units). I've built quite a few basses as orders and for myself over the past 18 years as a 'part time luthier', aside from keeping up being a full time player Bump The body design was taken from the top bout of a P bass with my own lower bout design with the 'violin' type cutaway. A correct size 'headless' Warwick gig bag is supplied with the bass. It is lovely to play, big sound with these pups, strong sturdy neck with two strap holders at the end for choice of position/angle of the bass when worn. The bass has sat around the 'bass cupboard' at home for 3/4 years now so it looks like I'm not a headless bass player! (sic) Visitors welcome to try it out through some Markbass gear. Considering parts cost and labour I would be looking for ........ NOW £700 [/quote] -
Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1359210689' post='1951608'] I would be interested in a trade on this bass for a Markbass 3 and Markbass HF 2x10 (single front port, not the Traveller) A four string headless bass with some very nice pieces of wood involved in it's build...... Old mahogany wood on the back with a very nice 'sheen' to it. A very nice piece of black walnut on the top. The neck is a 5 piece maple/wenge 34" scale with a Macassar unlined ebony fingerboard which is excellent for fretless bass with large 3mm side dots. (Macassar is very often used for double bass fingerboards, not quite as 'hard' a sound as black ebony). Two Seymour Duncan pickups (non active) with volume, pan and tone controls. The licensed tuning mechanism with the end string retainer (which is slightly marked) was bought as a 'seconds' unit so I can't say this part is new. (New complete units were extremely expensive when I was looking as opposed to cheaper units). I've built quite a few basses as orders and for myself over the past 18 years as a 'part time luthier', aside from keeping up being a full time player. The body design was taken from the top bout of a P bass with my own lower bout design with the 'violin' type cutaway. A correct size 'headless' Warwick gig bag is supplied with the bass. It is lovely to play, big sound with these pups, strong sturdy neck with two strap holders at the end for choice of position/angle of the bass when worn. The bass has sat around the 'bass cupboard' at home for 3/4 years now so it looks like I'm not a headless bass player! (sic) Visitors welcome to try it out through some Markbass gear. Considering parts cost and labour I would be looking for ........ NOW £700 [/quote] Bump -
[quote name='silverfoxnik' timestamp='1365266299' post='2037440'] I think I played and heard one of these basses some years ago when I met up with mybass who at the time was selling a Roscoe Beck V.. Though fretless is definitely not my thing, it was a very beautifully made instrument as I recall and a lovely tone too. GLWTS [/quote] cheers Nick, yes indeedy it was me. Thanks for the 'nod'.
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[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1364663247' post='2029418'] One of two of my 'custom' built basses (the other sold) [b]Specifications:… [/b] [b]Lightweight 6 lb 12 oz. SINGLE piece Swamp Ash body wood finished with eight coats of "Tru Oil". [/b] [b]Three piece rock maple wood neck. [/b] [b]34" Scale.[/b] [b]Nut width @ 1.5+ inches/almost 40mm. ( A little over a Jazz bass width)...[/b] [b]12th "fret" @ 2.1"/55mm.[/b] [b]Neck depth: Nut … almost 1"/ 25mm …. [/b] [b]12th fret..almost 1 1/8th" 27mm.[/b] [b]Ebony fingerboard @ 6.5mm middle thickness.[/b] [b]Approx. compound radius of 10" nut end to higher end 15".[/b] [b]Fingerboard has had a coat of Yamaha Bore oil.[/b] [b]Large 3mm side "black" abalone dots.[/b] [b]Note..side position dots are where the fret(s) would have been.[/b] [b]The 1st and 2nd octave position have double dots to be played centre of these two dots.[/b] [b]The neck is a bolt on design, joined by four recessed alan key head bolts that thread through the body[/b] [b]into brass threaded inserts in the neck wood.[/b] [b]Maple neck and headstock rear finish is Danish oil.[/b] [b]Headstock front finish is "Tru oil".[/b] [b]Headstock rear has a Walnut veneer.[/b] [b]Seymour Duncan "Active Jazz AJJ" pickups. (Single battery power quoted on SD site as approx. 1000 hours battery life).[/b] [b]Tone and Volume controls for each pickup.[/b] [b]Stereo barrel jack output, engages battery on jack plug input.[/b] [b]Schaller black "3D" bridge used for string width, height and intonation setting. Currently approx. 19 mm string spacing.[/b] [b]Schaller black machine heads.[/b] [b]Currently strung with "Galli" nickel strings of 105/85/65/45 gauge.[/b] [/quote] BUMP
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Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
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Keen interest from a few people but no sale at the old price....must really try and get this moved on so a price drop to £650. Might be an old soft case in the garage I can throw in too. Mp3 sample is available by email. This recording is direct off the bass guitar, through a Yamaha desk, no effects or compression used, just the straight DI signal. [b]Specifications:… [/b] [b]Lightweight 6 lb 12 oz. SINGLE piece Swamp Ash body wood finished with eight coats of "Tru Oil". [/b] [b]Three piece rock maple wood neck. [/b] [b]34" Scale.[/b] [b]Nut width @ 1.5+ inches/almost 40mm. ( A little over a Jazz bass width)...[/b] [b]12th "fret" @ 2.1"/55mm.[/b] [b]Neck depth: Nut … almost 1"/ 25mm …. [/b] [b]12th fret..almost 1 1/8th" 27mm.[/b] [b]Ebony fingerboard @ 6.5mm middle thickness.[/b] [b]Approx. compound radius of 10" nut end to higher end 15".[/b] [b]Fingerboard has had a coat of Yamaha Bore oil.[/b] [b]Large 3mm side "black" abalone dots.[/b] [b]Note..side position dots are where the fret(s) would have been.[/b] [b]The 1st and 2nd octave position have double dots to be played centre of these two dots.[/b] [b]The neck is a bolt on design, joined by four recessed alan key head bolts that thread through the body[/b] [b]into brass threaded inserts in the neck wood.[/b] [b]Maple neck and headstock rear finish is Danish oil.[/b] [b]Headstock front finish is "Tru oil".[/b] [b]Headstock rear has a Walnut veneer.[/b] [b]Seymour Duncan "Active Jazz AJJ" pickups. (Single battery power quoted on SD site as approx. 1000 hours battery life).[/b] [b]Tone and Volume controls for each pickup.[/b] [b]Stereo barrel jack output, engages battery on jack plug input.[/b] [b]Schaller black "3D" bridge used for string width, height and intonation setting. Currently approx. 19 mm string spacing.[/b] [b]Schaller black machine heads.[/b] [b]Currently strung with "Galli" nickel strings of 105/85/65/45 gauge.[/b]
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Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1359210689' post='1951608'] I would be interested in a trade on this bass for a Markbass 3 and Markbass HF 2x10 (single front port, not the Traveller) A four string headless bass with some very nice pieces of wood involved in it's build...... Old mahogany wood on the back with a very nice 'sheen' to it. A very nice piece of black walnut on the top. The neck is a 5 piece maple/wenge 34" scale with a Macassar unlined ebony fingerboard which is excellent for fretless bass with large 3mm side dots. (Macassar is very often used for double bass fingerboards, not quite as 'hard' a sound as black ebony). Two Seymour Duncan pickups (non active) with volume, pan and tone controls. The licensed tuning mechanism with the end string retainer (which is slightly marked) was bought as a 'seconds' unit so I can't say this part is new. (New complete units were extremely expensive when I was looking as opposed to cheaper units). I've built quite a few basses as orders and for myself over the past 18 years as a 'part time luthier', aside from keeping up being a full time player. The body design was taken from the top bout of a P bass with my own lower bout design with the 'violin' type cutaway. A correct size 'headless' Warwick gig bag is supplied with the bass. It is lovely to play, big sound with these pups, strong sturdy neck with two strap holders at the end for choice of position/angle of the bass when worn. The bass has sat around the 'bass cupboard' at home for 3/4 years now so it looks like I'm not a headless bass player! (sic) Visitors welcome to try it out through some Markbass gear. Considering parts cost and labour I would be looking for ........ NOW £700 [/quote] BuMp -
Headless 4 String Fretless Unlined + Gigbag...Poss. trade.
mybass replied to mybass's topic in Basses For Sale
[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1359210689' post='1951608'] A four stringer headless bass with some very nice pieces of wood involved in it's build...... Old mahogany wood on the back with a very nice 'sheen' to it. A very nice piece of black walnut on the top. The neck is a 5 piece maple/wenge 34" scale with a Macassar unlined ebony fingerboard which is excellent for fretless bass with large 3mm side dots. (Macassar is very often used for double bass fingerboards, not quite as 'hard' a sound as black ebony). Two Seymour Duncan pickups (non active) with volume, pan and tone controls. The licensed tuning mechanism with the end string retainer (which is slightly marked) was bought as a 'seconds' unit so I can't say this part is new. (New complete units were extremely expensive when I was looking as opposed to cheaper units). I've built quite a few basses as orders and for myself over the past 18 years as a 'part time luthier', aside from keeping up being a full time player. The body design was taken from the top bout of a P bass with my own lower bout design with the 'violin' type cutaway. A correct size 'headless' Warwick gig bag is supplied with the bass. It is lovely to play, big sound with these pups, strong sturdy neck with two strap holders at the end for choice of position/angle of the bass when worn. The bass has sat around the 'bass cupboard' at home for 3/4 years now so it looks like I'm not a headless bass player! (sic) Visitors welcome to try it out through some Markbass gear. Considering parts cost and labour I would be looking for ........ NOW £700 [/quote] bump -
[quote name='jackers' timestamp='1363355680' post='2011708'] there were a large number of threads about it, with lots of options discussed, as well as banners of text at the side of the main page. The yearly subscription/one off fee per item was agreed to be the best way to handle the running costs of the site. It isn't all free y'know [/quote] Not seen when they were posted, I'm not on here all the time! There still isn't anything posted under FAQs and Rules. I'm sure there will be others not aware of the situ as yet.
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[quote name='mybass' timestamp='1363268337' post='2010705'] I'm having trouble today getting a new bass for sale post sorted. Every time I get the first line typed the page reverts back to Basschat's startup page.....anyone else? [/quote] Thanks people...I've now seen the latest info about 'fees'...have to say it sorta crept into the site as I had not noticed it being explained until now.