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This comes up in the sax world as well where players are also split between readers and ears... You have to be patient and accept that it's like learning to read - you start off with 'Janet and John', not Shakespeare. A useful technique is to download the score from a site such as IMSLP for an orchestral work, play a recording and follow a line in the score (bass/cello in this case). Acquire the ability to follow the line and listening for it as well. That will get you used to reading and following. My singing teacher would just put stuff in front of me and say 'sing that'. If you want to get better at reading, you just have to get on and do it. Find some easy stuff, and take it slowly until you can get it right, then speed it up, until eventually playing it at the correct tempo.

I've played 1,2,3,4,6 and 8 but only performed 3 and 8 in concerts. I think we're looking at 5 next week in my Monday orchestra. I' never sung any Schubert lieder - have sung some Brahms.

It's never too late. Something I picked up from when I started singing is the importance of playing/performing with others. My singing teacher had me singing in a choir in a few months. When I got my cello and sax back in 2011, I joined a community orchestra straightaway. Community orchestras are almost always short of bass players. If you want to get to grips with reading and playing from staff notation, then playing the bass part in an orchestra is a way forward (and yes the community group I was in had both an electric bass and a DB on that part). Such groups tend to play a lot of film music.

My avatar is me playing my tenor sax... which isn't purple, that's just some of my photo editing. I have a baritone sax... Harpsichords - depends on the instrument: the mid C20th created these cast iron framed monstrosities. Works as a continuo instrument, fair to say more challenging as a solo instrument (depending as I said on the instrument). I'd agree that I'm not a big fan of the Hammond sound. Flutes depend on who's playing them, but it's not my favourite instrument for sure. A nice baroque wooden flute is kinder to the ears

You noticed 🤣 The hi-fi used to be the most expensive thing.... currently it's the saxes...

It's due to the nature of my voice - not something you would usually do. When I started having lessons back in the early 90s I was told I was a light baritone. I've always been able to hit tops Ds, Es quite hard and no real problems getting to F and F#. My voice was reasonably resonant down to the C on the 2nd space of the bass clef, and even OK down to A, by bottom F#/F we're on or off with no control over them. If I did intensive singing like a week's summer school, I'd be able to sing down to Eb. If I did a music workshop and got asked to dep as a 2nd tenor (baritones often are) my voice would tire quickly. In 2019 I had an assessment on a specialist course with a well-known vocal coach that trains opera singers. He put me through a lot of exercises and told me that baritones don't sing Ds and Es the way I do, nor F, F#, G, G#.... he had me singing up to top C and told me I was really a 1st tenor. So, why did I tire trying to sing the lower 2nd tenor part? Because I was trying to sing it as a baritone and 'push' with too much weight in the voice and this brings in all sorts of muscles and locks on the voice which tire it. Why was I assessed as a baritone? Men's voices don't fully settle until around age 35 and I was 33 and my voice was probably had not completely settled. So I found a local (well 35 miles away) teacher. He's an operatic tenor, who originally trained as a baritone at RNCM and encountered the same issue as me, just rather younger as he's only in his 40s now. So i've been learning to unlock my upper voice and to 'let go' of the way I used to sing as a baritone. It involves getting rid of a lot of learnt involuntary habits.

Won't be a surprise, but listening to various recommendations from people over the years I've got no interest in rap. Speaking in rhythm is not unique to rap, I've sung choral works that require it, such as the geographical fugue which is tricky..., or speaking/singing aleatorically, which is random....

I usually got to some sort of music summer school for a week each year. In recent years it's been either a mixed one where I've played both cello and sax, or one where I've played just cello in orchestras, or choral ones. This year I'm looking at booking onto a cello summer school - probably the one in Oxford. Which got me thinking... are there summer schools that anyone knows of where you have a mix of teaching and playing for bass? I'm assuming some sort of summer school version of Rock School?

Rather than piggybacking onto the threads of others, I thought I really ought to create my own about my own musical journey. For bass, I'm in the local Rock School franchise playing with the adult learners group. I have a lesson one week and the jam session alternate weeks. Bit of a hiatus with lessons due to tutor being on paternity leave... but he's back this week. I already know all about GAS - you're talking to someone who is into astronomy, hi-fi, photography... before we get to music and I have two viols, 2 cellos, 4 saxes, and currently 4 (soon to be 5) basses... I've been able to read music (bass and treble clef) since I was about 12. The viols mean I have to read alto and octave treble clef; cello means I have to read tenor clef as well.I've got G6 theory and I'd like to get G8 done. I started singing lessons in my 30s and have sung in various sizes of choir since then. I have performed in probably several hundred concerts over the years. Some have been major concerts in big concert halls. I've performed at Philharmonic Hall (Liverpool), Bridgewater Hall (Manchester), Symphony Hall (Birmingham), Royal Albert Hall (London). I've also sung in about two dozen of the UK's cathedrals. I'm not in a choir at the moment as I'm retraining to sing tenor instead of baritone - I hope to join a group in the autumn. I started cello and sax in 2011. I joined local community music groups straightaway as I know how important playing with others is. I'm working on G6 for sax and my teacher says I'm around G7 on cello. Currently, I play cello in two orchestras. For sax I'm struggling to find a wind band near enough that meets on a usuable day that doesn't conflict with other things. I do play sax in a small ensemble which I run, but it only meets once a month. Although I bought my Fender back in 2016, I really struggled to find a teacher I got on with and it was only just before lockdown hit that I found someone I got on with. It's not that I'm difficult (honest! 🤣) but a lot of people who put themselves out to teach beginner bass players find I start asking questions they can't answer... The pic is me and my cello a couple of weeks ago at my first concert since late 2019... The orchestral part of the programme was the suite from Peer Gynt (Grieg) and a medley from Lady be Good (Gershwin). A bit different from the Blitzkrieg Bop at Rock School...

Have to agree. This has been an interesting thread for numerous reasons. I became 'classical only' around age 10, maybe 11.... Started with mainstream classical/romantic composers (usual suspects). Apart form odd bits of Mahler, Richard Strauss, Stravinsky, I always struggled with C20th composers in those days. I moved earlier to the baroque through late teens and twenties. Move on a bit more and early music - renaissance and medieval start to become key. More C20th is slowly added over the years. The big change comes in my 30s when I start singing lessons and performing in concerts which exposes me to a much larger repertoire. Around this time I start to be interested in some jazz and some New Age music. I have not listened to 'pop' / chart music since about 1970. I am 'aware' of the names of various bands, I might have heard various pieces, but I tend to not have a clue about them. It's a conversation point between my bass teacher and myself when whatever piece we're working on for 'Rock School' I'll have either never heard of it, or I might recognise it, but no idea what it's called or who wrote it... Music is a large universe and we can't know everything. Is it odd that I'm not familiar with some popular genres/bands of the last 40 years? Perhaps, but we're all different and I'm an individual.

As a cellist I sympathise about the cost of strings. Fortunately you don't need to change them too often - a new C string for me is £125

Entirely true as it's all highly subjective.

Most serious classical music aficionados that I know are not particularly big fans of ClassicFM... it serve a purpose, but... there's only so many times you can take Rach2...

Bach is certainly a great composer. Vivaldi is significantly more varied than many realise - but he's writing in a very different style to Bach (by definition Italian rather than German baroque). Vivaldi's cause has not been helped by excessive use of a small number of his works to the almost complete exclusion of anything else (I'm looking at you ClassicFM - the Four Seasons, concerto for 2 mandolins, and the concert in C for soprano recorder). I'm currently working on Vivaldi's concerto in G minor to two cellos with my teacher. I play the cello 1 part. I've worked thorugh the first movement and just started on the second. The video includes the score.

7/4 is sometimes written as alternating 3/4, 4/4 to avoid frightening the horses, or to make the rhythmic pattern clearer, particularly to avoid ‘tripletising’ the 3

I agree. In terms of vocal range I'm pretty sure he's no better than a lot of modern pop singers who struggle to cover more than a fifth. As a base level, a competent singer would usually have a range of about 2 octaves.

I use Designacable too

Elvis was always on the radio in the 60s when I was a kid and my mum loved him... (she was a teen when he erupted on the scene). I never liked him.

I should add that disliking football and having no interest in it at all when growing up in Liverpool in the 60s/70s.... didn't help... (I still can't stand football, I just have to accept I;m in a minority on that one)

Yeah, been there...

I was 50 when my dad died of cancer. He had seen me in many concerts (and many other things) some really big ones. All I ever got was negative feedback.

My dad was never supportive of anything I did, so I'm envious of those who didn't have that experience.

Well, my preferred genres are renaissance and baroque (although others are OK). I have sung quite a lot of both. I like to play renaissance consort music on viol, but there's absolutely no one round here to play that with. I get to play some baroque on cello. The orchestras/bands I've played cello and sax in over the years tend to a lot of film music and musical theatre medleys, with the odd symphony by Beethoven, Haydn, Dvorak, Sibelius etc thrown in. I don't yet play bass in a group

Ugh SAP/Concur - as a now retired employee of a large company that was how we claimed our expenses. It was horrendous. One of the clunkiest and user hostile systems I've encountered. We decided it was a conspiracy to deter us from submitting expense claims...

I discovered a couple of years ago that there is a plaque on the wall of a hotel in Shrewsbury commemorating Paganini performing there...