Barking Spiders

You're right and your band mates are just so, so wrong!

All very fine players in their way but I find it very hard to get past their music

I used to think it was tantamount to blasphemy to not like 'Dave and Annie' as Steve Wright used to refer to them and so had to keep my vehement dislike of their music to myself. Today I heard another pet hate, `Mary's Prayer ' by Danny Wilson. They were part of the New Twee genre along with Deacon Blue, The Bluebells, The Beautiful South and Prefab Sprout.

I'm fine with the original but this possibly takes the crown for worst ever cover version, although it's the video that's really cringeworthy. Van Halen's slightly iffy version by contrast is brilliant.

And two great examples that have been overplayed on rock radio. I wonder if music artistes have a say in how often their songs get played on radio. Gotta be a trade off between royalties and engendering hate due to overkill

100%. Something about Deacon Blue that make me cringe every time I hear them. I mentioned Real gone kid but Ship.. is every bit as bad. I can put my finger on why their songs grate. The lead vocals, the backing vocals, the kitchen sink production and the embarrassing lyrics that try to be meaningful but instead sound too earnest.

Not many songs I intrinsically hate as I tend to zone out if I'm uninterested but there are definitely many that have outstayed their welcome in my head thanks to radio saturation e.g 'Dont stop me now' (Queen), 'Alright now', 'Born in the USA', 'Livin' on a prayer', 'With or without you', 'Come on Eileen'. Oh yes, come to think of it there are 3 tunes that have me trying to rip my ears off...'Perfect' by Fairground Attraction, 'Young at heart' by The Bluebells and 'Real gone kid' by Deacon Blue.

I'm a huge sucker for country guitar playing and this evening have been listening to and trying to cop licks from three of the best in the business

I think the list of unacknowledged/unappreciated but hugely talented musicians goes down the road and around the block several times especially $h!t hot pioneering guitarists outside the rock genre e.g. Tommy Emmanuel, Lenny Breau, Danny Gatton, Leo Kottke, Adrian Legg, Peter Huttlinger, Roy Buchanan, Isaac Guillory, Martin Taylor, John Jourgensen, Pierre Bensusan, Davy Graham, Andy McKee, Tony McManus, Bryan Sutton, Scotty Anderson...

There are 3 or 4 players there who are among my faves but I agree with you. This sort of thing works better with just three players. I've seen footage of Clarke, Miller and Wooten together and they pull it off. In this vid it's all a bit incoherent and repetitive.

There are no bass players 'I don't get'. It's more the music they play that can pass me by. I'm no fan of shred guitar but I've seen live footage of Satriani which I fast forward to Stu Hamm's 'Country Music' solo which I think's great. On the strength of this I listened to Radio Free Albemuth but for me classical tunes transposed onto electric bass doesn't work. No fan of the RHCP but I'm fine with Flea and he's done a good thing for the bass by raising its profile in the mainstream, like Mark King did in the 80s.

currently caning my latest purchase, from Future Sound of London, Environment 7.003. These guys still keep up the quality despite being so prolific

Maybe I'm a bit sick in the head but I found anecdote very funny, even though I probably ought not to.

So wrong and way off the mark. As the 2024 RNRHOF induction is soon it's a timely post about it. Of those named in my OP I have no strong dislike of any of them. I just can't see what they've done to be nominated. That's not the same thing at all.

Here's Wiki's full list of inductees year by year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees Can't argue with those inducted between 87 and 89 as these were mostly pioneers and major influences but in each year thereafter ?

But how come?

yeah of course, Brum in particular has been the hotbed of metal and hard rock in the UK.

If the Merkans hadn't come up with the RNRHOF I don't think it would've been invented in the UK. It seems to go against the very spirit of what r n'r was about i.e. kicking back against authority etc. Anyway. it's that time of year again and here are the noms should you so wish... https://vote.rockhall.com/ The only two I agree with are Eric B and Rakim and A Tribe Called Quest, these being two of the pioneering groups in hip hop /rap. As for the others.. Sinead O'Connor - really only known for having one big hit Oasis - if making a career out of plagiarism is noteworthy then yes, good call. Cher - 'pioneered' the use of autotune and errm.... Dave Matthews Band - yes, they've really changed the course of rock n' roll haven't they? Lenny Kravtiz - admittedly has made a career out of taking lack of originality to a new level Peter Frampton - is having one big selling album from the 70s enuff? Kool ATG - I like their pre-disco stuff but they were never at the cutting edge of funk, not like JB, Sly ATFS etc Foreigner - ?????????????????????????????????????????? Mary J Blige - don't know enough about her TBH but she's no Aretha Franklin or Nina Simone Mariah Carey - if you want OTT vocal 'shredding' I guess she's the go-to/GOAT Jane's Addiction - i imagine there'll be much head scratching among many potential voters Ozzy Osbourne - poster boy for making very little talent go a very long way

I was raised in Liverpool in the 70s-90s and wasn't aware of any metal scene or any of that American AOR stuff being popular. The only metal band of any note from the area is Carcass. Used to go and see bands in Manchester a lot too. Not aware there was much of a metal scene there either. Certainly Manchester hasn't produced any metal bands of note. Maybe hair metal and US AOR were more popular the other side of the Pennines.

I've watched many of their most popular stand-ups on YT and I agree with you. I'm referring to the likes of Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Bill Burr, Sarah Silverman, Amy Schumer, John Mulaney and all that SNL stuff. Too manic and shouty for me. That said, the popularity of Michael McIntyre, Peter Kay, John Bishop, Jack Whitehall, Sarah Millican, Sarah Pascoe, the two Russells and James Acaster also goes over my head.

The Cure have a big cult following over there when Kiss Me... came out and they got three platinum albums on the spin but after Wish it seems to've gone downhill for them

It'd be very odd/hypocritical if they rejected the likes of Suede and PSB for being sissy when they made platinum sellers out of 80s homegrown bands that wore spandex, had big hair and plastered themselves in lippy, eyeshadow etc!

I'm a fan of the Golden Age of hip hop which pretty much petered out by the late 90s but most of the stuff released over the last couple of decades has been largely vacuous and basically $hyt3 with a few exceptions such as Run the Jewels who are keeping the spirit of Public Enemy MK I alive.

The Ringo one might well be the shortest?

100% for sure, they rap in a very Roadman style. A band like Def Leppard was always going to fit in with that hair metal/stadium rock scene going on over there. Conversely, bands like Madness, Blur, The Jam, Happy Mondays and Pulp were probably also too 'English' sounding for US ears. Dunno why as we don't not listen to US bands because they sing in American accents. Maybe they're more insular than us.