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Welcome EvilSmile. WT800 - is that the one with stupid outputs - 2x4ohm or 1x8ohm?

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I could not possibly comment!

Cant be arsed. What difference will this make to how I play bass with the ferrets? f*** all. Be yourself!

Depends on the bass and the PA. Probably with di but not with mic - you cant eq up treble that aint there.

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='246063' date='Jul 23 2008, 01:34 PM']OK, I'd suggest the passage might need modification so its clear this is Bernie's opinion.[/quote] I've changed it - didn't want to get you in trouble.

To quote Alex Clabers first law: [b]You can use any power ouput amp with any power handling cab. If any of these combinations makes bad sounds then turn down and/or stop cranking the bass EQ excessively or damage may occur.[/b] All you are doing is effectively swapping pre-amps so should be fine. Just make sure the Hartke can run with an open power amp. Most amps can but I would want to be sure.

Shockwave does not buy a BC Rich shock!

[quote name='ianrunci' post='245912' date='Jul 23 2008, 10:56 AM']And secondly you said Hartke and Ashdown were a bit marmite (loved by some and hated by others) but thats a bit misleading cos in actual fact all equipment is a bit marmite. Peavey and Trace elliott for eg have both fans and detractors[/quote] Not really. If you trawl through the back pages and can remember what went down on bass world there is some gear that strongly divide opinions and some that nobody has a bad word for. Trace Elliot is marmite but I have never really read anyone with a downer on Peavey, its just not the most transparent of gear (and f***ing heavy). Likewise EBS, Gallien Gruger, Eden, Mark Bass etc etc, never seen a bad word for the amps although some dont rate Mark Bass cabs (including me). Surprisingly there are lots that dont rate Ampeg.

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='245843' date='Jul 23 2008, 08:22 AM']Just a point: [i] "Not to be confused with Goodfellow basses that may have been handmade by Bernie or may have been mass produced by Lowden after they ripped Bernie off"[/i] Is this a fact or your opinion?[/quote] Bernie's opinion and backed up by his not rolling in money and not being able to use his own name.

[quote name='ianrunci' post='245102' date='Jul 22 2008, 09:57 AM']I like a 1x15 and a 4x10, so if someone asks me to recommend something then thts what I'm gonna recomend isnt it. Why would I want to recommend something I wouldn't buy myself?[/quote] And I like using two cabs the same and after 28 years as a gigging bass player I would not mix cabs, so thats what I recommended. So how come I am wrong and you are right?

Ran mine for years at 2 ohms - and that was when I was gigging a lot.

Be interesting to see if you like the sound of that through the Genz.

[quote name='TheRinser' post='245507' date='Jul 22 2008, 04:38 PM']Cheers again for all the help guys, and here's hoping I never have to solder, ever. [/quote] Yeah. Whenever I try I end up with none where I want it and loads where I dont.

I always look at the t'n'a in the audience

[url="http://wiki.basschat.co.uk/vault:bass:gb"]See here[/url] Not that difficult! Linking the pics is a bit flakey though.

[quote name='ianrunci' post='244956' date='Jul 22 2008, 12:02 AM']My reasons are based on what I have used during my 30 years of gigging. I can only comment on things I have had experience with. This guy said he wanted a stack so I presumed he wanted something big and beefy. For me thats a 15 and a 4x10. For you its obviously different.[/quote] But why would 15 and 4x10 be bigger and beefier than say 2 15's or 2 4x10's. Have you ever tried a stack of two identical cabs?

I've tried a couple but it just felt wrong. Looks wrong too.

[quote name='insinkerator' post='244362' date='Jul 21 2008, 12:19 PM']- My budget is up as far as 1000euro, about 1400 dollars(US)[/quote] Where you at?

Probably. Lots of horn tweeters used in bass amps can be a bit delicate IME. You could try putting the meter across the terminals on the horn but I'm not really an expert on this sort of thing so dont know whether you should put a 9v battery across the jack terminals as well. Putting a 9V battery across a woofer is usual to check its working but dont know about tweeters.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='244570' date='Jul 21 2008, 04:58 PM']A drag racer will be a lot slower around a race track than a 2CV, despite the huge gulf in straight line performance.[/quote] You got me. [quote name='alexclaber' post='244570' date='Jul 21 2008, 04:58 PM']Mixing drivers is unpredictable which is why I wouldn't recommend it but if you have the opportunity to test the different mixes to see which work well then I don't have a problem with this. We are bass players, not hi-fi audiophiles! I agree that the conventional wisdom about big speakers going lower etc is rather annoying but that's a separate issue. Scientifically predicting the results of mixing speakers is so difficult you're better off plugging them in and listening.[/quote] Once upon a time music and hi-fi mags used to do their own lab tesing of gear. It probably fell from favour because the lab tests contradicted the listening tests. [quote name='alexclaber' post='244570' date='Jul 21 2008, 04:58 PM']I just felt I had to step in because whilst I'm sure you have good intentions your evangelical black and white stance was looking likely to put a lot of backs up and in the process leave any posts regarding the pros of better design to be read by an irritated and sceptical audience. Alex P.S. I like playing any basses through hi-fi's, I just wouldn't gig with one![/quote] One persons back up I think, that was more to do with his understanding of "marmite". Still, I would be interested to hear his reasons for telling a newbie this: [quote name='ianrunci' post='243589' date='Jul 20 2008, 01:14 AM']I would say for your first stack you should be able to pick up a 15, a 4x10 and a decent amp second hand easily for 600.[/quote]

Want the Schroeder sound? Not cutting through? Walk over to your amp and turn the mids up But seriously, I often wonder at the EQ settings that some people use.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='244118' date='Jul 20 2008, 10:55 PM']Your example is completely flawed. It is as accurate as predicting the lap times of a car based on the 0-60 time and top speed without any other data, even the length of the track! It is not black and white. Model some speakers, sum the full frequency response plots and come back to me. Otherwise stop banging on and on and on. Personally I take a more engineered approach but the suck it and see approach can work. A lot of happy Schroeder users out there and that seems to be as advanced as Jorg's design process is. Alex[/quote] I'm not arguing with you - just trying to get a better understanding. All the assumption I was making are obviously false but I was trying to simplify matters to aid comprehension. As for the car analogy, no it wont predict lap times but there is a high probability the car with the fastest top speed and acceleration will do the fastest laps. I did not make this up about mixing drivers - I got it from the resident basschat experts Bill F and Alex C. Have you changed your mind? This idea of mixing speakers producing unpredictable results explains my own experience. I had a Peavey Tmax with a 115BW. Conventional wisdon said I should get a 210 and when I did it sounded sh*t, even though both speakers sounded good on their own! It sounded so sh*t I px'ed the 115BW for another 210 at the earliest opportunity, because contrary to conventional wisdom the 210 was deeper than the 115BW. If the best that can be said is that mixing cabs will produce unpredictable results and will not necessarily be a sum of the parts because the differences in frequency response, both magnitude and phase, once combined, may or may not result in a more balanced sound, any further explanation will required detailed knowledge of speaker designs; then that will have to do.

And what? Is he using his backline for FOH and recordning?

[quote name='bassmansky' post='244058' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:23 PM']agree with some of what you say as for the abm's sounding wooly i cant agree on that more like classic vintage sound.i wouldnt call jj burnells sound wooly![/quote] Absolutely - he uses an 8x10 according to the Ashdown website so he does not mix his drivers. But the classic JJ sound is a Hiwatt DR103 and a f***ed marshall 4x12 with torn drivers.