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[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1506332252' post='3377894'] It's the way he plays, it's his fingers, hands arms etc, possibly even the way he stands. There's so much more to sounding like someone than using the same guitar, strings, amp etc. Have you though of advertising on a guitar forum or in one of the many Chuck Berry Facebook groups? [/quote] Well, yea. But if you are going to go to those lengths no one will be able to play a Chuck lick exactly. I think the OP was talking generally, ie phrasing, tone, dynamics. Also, did a lot of top guitarists back in Chuck's day not use flat wound strings? That would explain a great deal regarding the tone and lack of sustain.

There is a law, in cycling clubs....... "How many bikes do you need?. One more than you already have". It works for musical instruments also.

If the vid is "How to play slap" fair enough. Otherwise stick to what you are supposed to be teaching or reviewing.

[quote name='Daz39' timestamp='1505917664' post='3375211'] No - they are not inevitable. Saying they are only perpetuates the myth that they can't be stopped. [/quote] The guys who did the shouting and whistling were obviously morons, that's a given, but I would like to hear how the behavior of the few can be stopped? Given the complexity and diversity of humans, and the different ways they think. I presume it would be more complex than simply saying "Hey you, that's not acceptable" expecting the perpitrators to say "You know what, you are right, I will stop it forthwith." There always has been and always will be a few idiots who don't conform, its human nature. What is normal and acceptable for one is disgusting to another. On there own these people are usually as quiet a lambs. Its the pack mentality.

A lot of what we now think to be "Simple" songs or licks are much more difficult than they sound. Might have a lot to do with the fact that 50s and 60s music was largely recorded without click tracks, and obviously, no computer grid. When a take felt right, it was deemed to be right, and that was the one released. The old phrase "Its not what you play but how and where you play it" was never more true than when you try and nail a R n R or early Rock song. We have all been seduced by Technique over musicality, and correctness over creativity during the last few decades. If it feels good it usually is good. The essence of Rock and Roll.

I think inventive and creative musicians give me a greater buzz, when playing with them, than so called technically proficient musos. As long as you are up to speed with the format of the songs you are doing, and laying a good foundation, there is nothing quite like playing with more gifted musicians, and being pulled along by there creativity. And yes, I only do this for fun, but the better the musicians I play with the more fun I have.

Probably been said already but, Black...."Wonderful Life" Still sounds great today. Sadly he died last year.

Always better to raise your game than languish in a comfort zone.

[quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1505377538' post='3371383'] I can understand people not getting Green Day, but pretentious isn't a word I'd associate with them. I've played a couple of songs in our set, the song writing is great, but you are right about Pete. Are you Blue in disguise? [/quote] No no no, simply stating facts.

[quote name='Cato' timestamp='1505337738' post='3371228'] Better hope Blue's not reading this thread. I know what you mean though, I think it's an age thing. I'm only 42 so to me Beatlemania is just a few black and white clips of a band rendered barely audible by screaming fans. My theory is that the Beatles were so influential that to anyone who wasn't there at the time they just don't sound that innovative. Their sound and song writing structure have been copied so much since that the original material loses much of it's impact with younger generations. I certainly wouldn't describe them as over rated though. They changed the direction of popular music, it just gets harder to hear that the further we move from the event. [/quote] Agreed. The Beatles have to be taken in context. Back in the day they were the pilot fish for the rest of the music world. People held there breath when a new recording was imminent. Exciting days, I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who did not live through the 60s. Anything and everything was possible.

[quote name='itsmedunc' timestamp='1505330530' post='3371163'] [b]A poll taken by whom?[/b] There weren't even a 100 punk bands anyway? Unless we are including the mostly dire post 1979 offerings... [/quote] By me, and its a web forum, I dont need to justify my likes and dislikes, thank you. None of us do, its a bit of nonsense.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1505325381' post='3371097'] talking of the Who, Squeezebox, how the hell did/do they get with that one, did the BBC actually think it was about a musical instrument? they were probably the only ones that misunderstood those lyrics [/quote] Ahh, you have to love the Beeb, unless you called the song "I love a good w**k" it would go straight over there heads. Oo er missus.

Agreed, the Sex Pistols. Talk about hype. They were not even in the top 100 best Punk bands.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1505301107' post='3370824'] yeah I've always understood that one, I heard it played at a wedding too, sat there with a smug grin on my face [/quote] You would think people would grasp it after the line "Since you've been gone, all that's left is a band of gold". But I realised quite early on how few people listen to the words of songs they claim to love.

[quote name='Ashweb' timestamp='1505306091' post='3370889'] I've recently had to explain what Turning Japanese by The Vapours (I think) is really about. Entirely worth it just to see the shocked look on their face :-) [/quote] Top notch. Almost forgot that one.

[quote name='Daz39' timestamp='1505299856' post='3370808'] Every Breath You Take by The Police [/quote] Not sure how true, but I heard it was all related to the break up of his first marriage, and nothing to do with stalking, as some have implied.

Yep, a very influential drummer, and certainly a legend in his own, modest, mind. Who do you think gave him the moniker "Pretty"? Himself of course.

"Please don't let me be misunderstood" by The Animals. I never understood that one.

Oasis. After the first album everything else was a re hash of same. And the first album was just a Beatles cover job anyway. The Smiths. Bloody hell did Morrisey drone on, usually using only two notes. He certainly made me miserable. Kiss. Dress up like hard heavy rockers....then sing pop songs. The Doors. Lounge Jazz, played badly, and a front man who couldnt carry a song in a bucket. Guns and Roses. Simply re hashing the old 70s rock sound and lifestyle, and doing it so badly. Has anyone in music a more annoying voice than Mr. Rose? Enough, enough, music is about enjoyment not moaning about what I dont like. I apologise.

In my mind its just as much nonsense as paying more for a brand new instrument, that has been made to look old and beaten up, than a new one in pristine condition. The whole "Its old so it must be better" thing escapes me. I have a 1970s Gibson SG that I wont part with, even though it was badly built and finished when I bought it new. I got it sorted by a luthier back in the day and it plays well. I have tried a number of new SGs over the years, some sound better some have a better neck but I love my old faithful, not cos its "Road worn" or it's better, but because its my old friend. A pre stressed amp or instrument could only ever be that after long and faithful service.

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1505025674' post='3368859'] A lot of the content of the last four pages is repetitive of the first six so you're not missing anything. By many accounts this is a seasonal topic anyway. I am quite sure that someone will start yet another debate about whether TAB is good or bad again. The indications suggest that, love it or hate it, TAB is here to stay. [b]I'm another one who found notation less than memorable. Like yourself, I use whatever makes sense to me. I can not think like a classically trained muso so these days I don't waste any effort on trying. Funny how that causes annoyance to a few members.[/b] [/quote] Very true. The whole point of Rock and Roll is the fact that there is no right or wrong way, just your own way.

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1504803740' post='3367472'] If TAB is better than notation then please do feel do explain this. Also, why don't serious classical instrumentalists use it? On the other hand don't. I can't be arsed to read crap. [/quote] No one, at any point in this stupid thread has said Tab is better than any other way of learning or notating a song. Hence the "Horses for courses". Read the title of the thread.

I believe the horses for courses statement has been mad about a dozen times so far. I was bloody amazed when I saw this tosh back at the top of the pile.

As above, the definition of a true pro is there attitude. The guy sounds like a dick.

Nice instrument. Has anyone tried ukulele tuning? My missus plays the uke and would like to try a tenor/4 string guitar, but is not keen on learning a new instrument. I foolishly implied it would be no problem tuning the same as the ukulele. I realise the strings would have to be swapped to maintain reasonable tension as a uke is not tuned low to high. Any ideas?