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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1502706062' post='3352942'] Is it an old clip? I know he's done others video's on Ric's, but that was only posted on 31/7/17! Perhaps it's the sentiment that's getting old for you? In answer to the question posed by the OP of this thread, my answer would be don't avoid it, just buy one. [/quote] Hmmm, first time I saw it when it was doing the rounds recently, I was pretty sure I'd seen it before. Maybe there's another one of a half-sozzled grumpy old git moaning about how fixing Rics has ruined his life...

[quote name='rmorris' timestamp='1502268027' post='3350282'] +1 - just 'cos I always want to say this when a defret is suggested :-) [/quote] +2 - every time I see a de-fretted bass for sale, I think "That'll cost extra to put the frets back on!".

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[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1502732062' post='3353188'] There is a bit more going on in the guitar bit between the E and B IIRC. Since John Hackett stopped touring with Steve the keyboard player's covered that part. [/quote] Yes, I'm sure there is - maybe some octaves; I'll have to work that bit out too... someday...

[quote name='markoire' timestamp='1502314206' post='3350673'] I've had a hiscox case for my 4001 for a long time. It was the only one I could find big enough [/quote] Ah yes, when I said Hiscox, I was referring to the Lite Flite ones.

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1502717158' post='3353050'] Aye. The being a prat thing is really the worst part of being a classical organist, hence why I sometimes overplay my jazz side, which makes me cool again - to some limited degree of course. I'm happy you associate pedals with feet, as this is from Latin. Finally I'm more than overjoyed you mentioned the cow nose, as I now see I forgot an important keyboard type when hastily writing my three lines. So, without mentioning a few less important types of keyboard, we have three types, all derived from Latin: keyboard for hand(s): [i][b]manual[/b][/i] (from Latin "[i]manus[/i]") keyboard for foot/feet: [b][i]pedals[/i][/b] (from Latin "[i]pes[/i]") keyboard for cow's nose / cows' noses: [b]Bos[/b]([b]s[/b])[b] Taurus [i]Nasus[/i][/b] [/quote] Hence the Taurus bass pedals!

FYI, RAM is typically in GB (gigabytes), not Gb (gigabits - that's usually network speeds) and definitely not gb (there's no such thing as a gram-bit!) E8400 machines tend to support 8 GB, but if it's a small form-factor (SFF) PC, it may only have two slots and 4 GB PC2-6400 SIMMs are quite hard to get hold of. The SFF PCs may also be limited on the card slots; they may have one half-height one, so check that before buying an i/o card.

Sure - I also mentioned this thread to him.

Clocks is just the Taurus preset sound. On my PK-5A pedals, I set the "Mono" to the lower octave and the "Poly" to the higher one; then it's just a matter of playing the notes like they do in the video ("Poly", 1st two notes, "Mono", next three notes, "Poly", first two notes of the next phrase, and so-on); I only figured the main riff and not the backing to the guitar bit (I think it's just an "E", but am not sure).

I was going to post a link to it here, but then remembered the rules!

[quote name='Al Krow' timestamp='1502637699' post='3352589'] Hah! Just spotted this thread / YouTube clip over on the General Discussion forum, which I suspect a number of you have seen already. [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/309576-rickenbacker-bass-gets-outed-for-what-it-is/"]http://basschat.co.u...for-what-it-is/[/url] What an entertaining little video and I guess I'm glad I got distracted by an Ibanez SR1800 with Nordstrand pups... [/quote] That old clip is vaguely amusing, but who cares if a grumpy old guitar tech hasn't got the right tool immediately to hand for the once every few years a Ric needs its truss rods adjusting? There's another one of him doing up an Ibby and the belligerent git calls the customer up and proceeds to rant at him and talk over the top of him.

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1502658254' post='3352769'] I don't really want to get involved in your pedantry competition here, but keyboards have intrinsically nothing to do with hands. They are any boards with a key or keys on them regardless whether it is designed for a hand, a foot or a cows nose. I have made many keyboards in various devices to be pressed in many circumstances. I would associate pedals with feet though. I wouldn't use the term bass pedals myself but if someone said it I would understand what they were talking about, in the way that if someone said they were hoovering, I would understand they meant they were using a vaccum cleaner. I don't use bass pedals live, I use a 12 step which plays chords (which are higher than the notes I am playing on bass). The 12 step is great for that, it wouldn't be as good for bass as say the pedals on an organ, so I would never describe it as that. But you are right, they do call it a bass pedal in the title, and a foot driven keyboard in the body text (and in the manual). Interestingly, and I know this from when I was looking originally for the pedals from an organ to butcher and make into a midi controller (and pedals on an organ were bass pedals as they just played the bass), if you search for 'bass pedal' on either eBay or google, you just find pedals (ie, effects pedals) for basses, no keyboard beds at all. I would also point out that the reason a bass guitar is called a bass guitar is because it is tuned an octave below a guitar. However high (including harmonics) a bass guitar gets, it is still an octave below a guitar, and an analogue to the double bass. [/quote] Welcome to the discussion! The 12-step manual does refer to it as a pedal "[i]This section covers information that will help get started with the 12 Step. We will introduce the 12 Step hardware, the MIDI Expander hardware, how to connect 12 Step to the world, and basic operation of the pedal.[/i]". I don't see the 12-step being referred to as a keyboard in the online manual ([url="https://files.keithmcmillen.com/downloads/12step/12_Step_Manual_V2.0.pdf"]https://files.keithmcmillen.com/downloads/12step/12_Step_Manual_V2.0.pdf[/url]); it does mention using a computer keyboard and a GUI tool with a "graphical representation of a keyboard". However, it does refer to the pressed notes as "keys". I've previously had a Ketron set of bass pedals too: [url="https://www.thomann.de/gb/solton_k8_bass_pedal.htm"]https://www.thomann.de/gb/solton_k8_bass_pedal.htm[/url] and I've also got a set of pedals I'm butchering to make a standalone MIDI controller, using the [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Basyn-MIDI-Adapter-for-One-Octave-Bass-Pedals-Midipeds-Free-Shipping-/322624409165?"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Basyn-MIDI-Adapter-for-One-Octave-Bass-Pedals-Midipeds-Free-Shipping-/322624409165?[/url] kit. I have to say that I had never registered the term "foot operated keyboard" until this thread and had taken it as someone trying to describe a concept (eg. "like a keyboard but you play it with your feet", such as in this wiki page: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_keyboard"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_keyboard[/url]) rather than being the formal name of the unit. And that is how I interpreted the OP. So, I'm going to drop off the discussion now; I'll continue to refer to them as [b]MIDI bass pedals[/b], but I accept that others may refer to foot keyboards and suchlike. And finally, back to the OP: I'd still be checking out the KMI 12-Step. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXMy2irFUl4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXMy2irFUl4[/url]

There's someone on another forum selling a sub 5-string for under £200.

I accept that the OP was describing a requirement and agree that is the topic in question. And I'd be checking out the 12-step to fulfil the requirement. [url="https://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/12-step/"]https://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/12-step/[/url] ...but back to the digression... Keyboards are for hands and pedalboards are for feet. It's interesting you refer to organs, as the pedals of organs do seem to be bass notes, whilst the keyboard(s) tend to be full-range; perhaps that is where the term "bass pedals" came into use. As I said, and in agreement with your comments, the distinction of them being "bass" is now blurred and they can swap over and play higher notes (or trigger sounds, lights or explosions, if you like!); this is really due to the inevitable convergence of technologies. But playing "outside of the box" is nothing new; the so-called [i]bass[/i] guitar can also play high notes, especially with harmonics, so it's not just bass pedals which have the ability to stretch their role beyond the (ahem) basics. Incidentally, did you notice that Keith McMillen call their device a "[i]12 Step USB MIDI Bass Pedal Foot Controller[/i]" (in the browser tab title)? It seems that the two leading brands of bass pedals (Roland and Keith McMillen) refer to them as that; you may contend that they are wrong, but the story of King Canute might be a history lesson worth checking out at some point. I would also say that the comment of mine which you picked up on was "they are called bass pedals" (or something like that); I think that I have given several links to show that they are indeed [i]called[/i] that. Now, you might argue that they are really limb extremity operated actuators, but they are still [i]called [/i]bass pedals[i].[/i] However, in the interests of fairness, I did a search and I managed to find an image of a foot-keyboard; here it is! [url="https://youtu.be/0Yu62StlsMY?t=6"]https://youtu.be/0Yu62StlsMY?t=6[/url]

He's a brave bloke - putting it on at a low start and letting it find its value. The collection only is going to put some people off, so there is the possibility of a bargain to be had.

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1502528269' post='3351984'] Accepting you said that in a helpful tone of voice, I'll try and be helpful too: No, they're not. People just call them that. "Bass pedals" are the name normally assigned to pedal units with built in sound generators mostly for bass tones - - like the original Moog Taurus - - and as such are complete instruments give or take some borderline cases. The fact that people often call MIDI pedals "bass pedals" does not turn them into bass pedals. The OP isn't after one of those, but after playing his existing Korg X5D with MIDI pedals (or MIDI pedalboard or, as the title says, MIDI foot keyboard - which really is more correct than your proposal). Remember that a pedal set like this is used to trigger any stuff the synth can produce - along the whole frequency range. People's tendency to use pedals for bass notes only reflects practical needs and/or their limited thinking. [/quote] I beg to differ with your differing with what I said... The pedals are the switches, not the sound generators. Think about an electronic organ with bass pedals - they are just remote switches connected by wire to the main circuit and are often detachable. Roland call the PK-5A a "Dynamic MIDI Pedal", so they use the word pedal. A quick search gives the definition of pedal as "a foot-operated lever or control for a vehicle, musical instrument, or other mechanism", which is what they are. In contrast, the word "keyboard" seems to apply to controls which are pressed using the fingers. Therefore, there cannot be a "foot keyboard", as the terms are contrary: keys are hand operated, pedals are foot operated. A "foot keyboard" is a pedal board. So, au contraire, it is your limited use of "bass pedals" to define self contained units comprising the pedals and the signal generator (be it Moog, or Dewtron - who preceded them; I used to have a set of them!) which is incorrect. The separation of the pedals from the sound generator does not stop them being pedals any more than the separation of the keyboard from the sound generator stops it being a keyboard (as is the case with computer keyboards too - right now I am typing using a keyboard which is attached to a computer; well, actually several computers, via a KVM switch). I take your point that the MIDI bass pedals tend not to be restricted to the bass octaves (eg. the PK-5A can do octaves 0-8), which thereby makes them more versatile and, beyond that, things like the 12-step can be programmed to perform any funciton. But they are still called bass pedals, like I said. Here's a wiki reference which defines bass pedals: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_pedals"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_pedals[/url]

If someone can pick something up at a good price and then sell it on for a profit, all good to them. The original seller could have put it on ebay themself. If it's a dealer, then they do have to make a living, so flipping that bass is probably a day's pay.

They're called bass pedals... I have Roland PK-5A pedals and a couple of synth modules, including a Minitaur ([url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0oZkQ5ayrE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=M0oZkQ5ayrE[/url], [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvgbF7A90tA"]https://www.youtube....h?v=TvgbF7A90tA[/url]). I've also got a part-built project using some pedals from an organ and a Basyn MIDI kit [url="http://www.basyn.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=5"]http://www.basyn.com...rod&productId=5[/url]

A company make these and sell them for good money. [indent=1][url="https://doniguitars.com/products/rebel-bass-4-string"]https://doniguitars.com/products/rebel-bass-4-string[/url][/indent] The body is just a 70s toy and someone had the bright idea of turning it into a guitar. The body is just plastic and on the toy the lid comes off; it's not quite as solid as a lump of ash, so I guess it was dropped and broken. I've got to get a replacement Millennium Falcon and rebuild it. I bought one on ebay but it got lost in the post, so I've got to get another.

[quote name='dyerseve' timestamp='1502440373' post='3351400'] Yeah, clearly they made a mistake with the serial number and you are far better off believing the info on the neck plate because there is no way anyone could have swapped that... [/quote] Honto.

I had a word with the seller to tell him it's not a Fender Stratocaster and he's amended the listing.

Every time I see a defretted bass for sale I think "I'll have to add £50 to get it refretted".