Beer of the Bass

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1495570735' post='3305012'] I did a gig last year with no monitoring at all for the first 7 or 8 songs, when I say no monitoring I'm taking no bass amp, no guitar amp and no wedges (which were going to be our sole monitoring), nothing for vocals at all! Oh dear that was tricky [/quote] Aargh, sounds horrible! I played a festival gig a few years ago where the supplied bass amp crapped out three songs before the end of the set with nothing in the monitors, so I feel your pain. Apparently it sounded fine out front, but I don't think I've ever looked at the fretboard quite so intensely. Glad I wasn't on double bass.

There are a few places in my town that are bars putting on live music, rather than dedicated music venues. They'll put on a mixture of covers or originals of a fairly mainstream nature. If they have their own PA, it'll usually be a little mixer and a couple of powered tops that live in a store room between gigs, or sometimes a knackered old mixer amp and passive speakers, rarely any monitors. I don't do many of those gigs, but when I do, the bass won't be through the PA.

If you have one red-plating power valve, swapping the position of the two power valves could help you identify the problem. If the same one red-plates in either socket, you probably need new power valves. If either valve red-plates in the same socket, it's more likely to be another issue with the amp. But don't run it like that for longer than you need to.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1495442822' post='3303669'] Your guitar playing in NUF is very tasty [/quote] I guess the solution to widdly guitarists is to find a moonlighting bassist for the job!

The band I play guitar in has only one guitar, yet the ad I answered was specifically looking for a rhythm guitarist. Apparently this is because they'd already audtioned five or six insatiable widdlers. Several years later I still haven't tried to squeeze in anything resembling a solo (though I do play some melodic parts), and they seem to like it that way.

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1495391532' post='3303424'] Crusties is the new term. [/quote] I reckon there are three basic varieties of modern-day hippy, which overlap in a Venn diagram fashion. Many people of a hippyish leaning have some elements of each, in varying extents. -There are your crusty/raver sorts; these are the tail-end of the old free festival scene that later fed into the rave scene, chiefly into imbibing whatever they can get hold of in outdoor settings of dubious legality. They're often weekend warriors, rather than it being a full-time lifestyle. -Then there are your activist/eco-warrior crowd; often found inhabiting protest camps or living in off-grid settings. -Finally, there are your new-age/spiritual people; usually more clean-living than the other sorts, into assorted alternative spiritual woo and pseudo-scientific ideas about diet, and they've often come from better off backgrounds - their kids probably go to the local Steiner school. That's probably a reprehensible bit of stereotyping, but there you go! The party I didn't play at last night would mostly have been frequented by the first group.

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1495352470' post='3303083'] 1x10? outdoors? hope theyre all going to sit down and be nice and quiet [/quote] For guitar, with unmic'ed drums. It's not going to cover a huge area, but it should balance OK with the drums.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1495299487' post='3302847'] Slap has been badly abused, but done with taste it's like any other technique and can be pretty cool. One of my favourite slapped basslines is "Forget me nots", played by Freddie Washington, like this: the actual slap starts at around 30 seconds. It also shows just how nice a Precision can sound slapped. You hear a lot of scooped tones, lots of Jazz bass with both pickups on... I like my mids, and this is beautiful. [/quote] P-bass slap is cool - much more up my street than a jazz with both pickups or a Stingray with all the knobs maxed! The 12-string is a lot of fun too. I miss my old 8-string, but mine was converted from a cheap 4-string and the neck only held up for about 3 years before the truss rod could cope no more...

Turns out we're not going ahead, for vague and waffly reasons. It was going to be in an hour or two!

Weather permitting, I'm supposed to be playing guitar with my band at a private outdoor party organised by hippies. There will be some sort of sound system and generator, though it's a complete unknown quantity. It's in a location you can't get a vehicle right up to, so I'd imagine it will be a little portable setup, and there's unlikely to be a proper stage. Sounds pretty dodgy, right? I'm a bit wary of running my usual valve combo on this kind of supply, since the grounding might not be done properly and the voltage and AC frequency might vary. The only solid-state setup I have is my small bass rig of a GK MB200 and 1x10 cab. It seems like the switch-mode supply of the GK is less likely to be stressed by power supply variations, and it might feel less risky, it's a bit lighter to carry too, but it's kind of squeaky clean for guitar. Which way would you go in these circumstances (other than not doing the gig)? Any other tips for coping in this situation are also welcome.

If it was loaned and never returned, how certain is the ownership of it? Could Jamerson's estate have some claim to it? You would hope this was sorted out before auctioning it.

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1495276559' post='3302632'] Just listened to the OP's link. Sounds like a bag of spanners being thrown down a fire escape. I get that there is a lot going on but, for me, one of the most important apsects of bass in terms of groove is timbre/tone. If the timbre doesn't work, the notes can be absolutely correct and it still won't groove (think some of the early electric bass playing with big bands). This guys clanking and fret buzz is so distracting, it detracts from his ideas. Is it bass playing? Of course it is. Is it good bass playing? Subjective. [/quote] I read the thread before I'd watched the video, and it kind of has less going on than I'd expected. His dexterity is impressive, he has some interesting enough rhythmic ideas, but harmonically it seems rather pedestrian - he's more or less bashing away at pentatonics over a pedal tone, and it doesn't do much dynamically either. Now, I can't do what he does (before anyone asks), but I'd expect any advanced soloist on almost any instrument to do something more interesting than that. Though I've only watched this video - perhaps he pulls that out elsewhere...

You might want to edit your post to remove the name of the guy who made your pickguards and TRC's - it would be a shame if he got any hassle from RIC over it, and I think they have some sort of trade dress registration on the TRC shape.

[quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1495141841' post='3301663'] If any decent cab choice/configuration produces an 80% result which creates an environment which is acceptable to both you as a player and the audience as listener any effort to optimise beyond that point may start to take more effort/convenience than the solution creates. [/quote] Interesting post. It's true that even with the best optimised rig the sound will be different as you move around the space in many rooms, and most of the time we're sufficiently used to that not to be bothered by it. The only times I've noticed dispersion from backline amps becoming a problem are either if I can't hear with enough clarity to properly follow what the musicians are doing (particularly when the amp serves as a monitor), or when the on-axis upper midrange peakiness is so pronounced as to be uncomfortable in one spot while it sounds fine everywhere else. So for me "good enough" is when neither of those happens, but then I gig in some fairly haphazard situations so perhaps my standards aren't all that high!

[quote name='stevie' timestamp='1495008852' post='3300315'] This is the amp that persuaded me that guitarists didn't need valves, although it's still a minority opinion. [/quote] Yes, I remember finding the old Sessionette in one rehearsal room we used to use to be pretty good sounding, and there are some valve combos that I like less. I think solid state guitar amps have trouble finding their niche in the market - there are lots of entry level combos that aren't all that inspiring, a few high-end modelling rigs and not too much choice in mid priced gear. I think that may be starting to change though. I'm still quite attached to valve amps myself, but in all honesty that may be because it's a technology which is quite approachable to the amateur tinkerer. I mean, if you were to build the most basic version of a valve amp taken straight from the old RCA or Mullard application notes it'll sound good as a guitar amp, while getting the same behaviour from a solid state amp takes some real design skill.

[quote name='Marc S' timestamp='1495110595' post='3301350'] I saw a Stentor some time back - in fact, I had considered trading it + some cash for my Gage (then saw the light! lol) It certainly wasn't a small proportioned bass, and the endpin extended beyond coping with me at around 6'00".. perhaps the smaller basses are the Stentor Student range? Does anyone here own a Stentor Student bass? It'd be worth knowing whether they're full size [/quote] A friend has one of the hybrid Student models, and IIRC it's standard 3/4 in terms of scale length, just at the more compact end of body proportions. His has held up OK and not given him any trouble, and it sounds OK though I've heard much "bigger" sounding basses.

I looked at the Stentors when I was searching for a bass, something like 12 years ago. I don't know if this is still the case, but I remember noticing just how small proportioned all of their 3/4 size basses were, to the point that the endpin didn't extend far enough for me (I'm about 6'2"). It's not necessarily a negative, just something to consider.

I'm curious here; I've seen claims from people other than Alex that the right cone design can improve off-axis response beyond what a simple model based on diameter would predict, though I also see some disagreement with this. My question is, what would this look like when measured? Are we talking about raising the frequency where it starts to roll off, making the roll-off less steep or just increasing sensitivity in that range both on and off axis?

It would be an awkward fit in many car boots - just a bit too long to fit across the width where a pair of 2x10" would fit easily side by side.

Even when there's PA, I do find dispersion to be an issue in venues that have a house 4x10" sat on the floor - often it'll sound great when I kneel to adjust the amp but when I stand up again I can't get it clearly audible without being too loud for the stage. A single 1x12" either raised or tilted, or a pair of 1x12"s stacked in portrait orientation seems good enough for my needs, despite not going all that high off axis. The guitarist has also commented unprompted that he can hear me better with the pair of 1x12"s, if that counts for anything.

Cheers for the suggestions, but after a couple of gigs with the Red Labels, there were just too many things I missed about flats! It would be quite fun to have rounds on another bass to pull out for the gigs that suit it though...

Snark aside, what might we take from those measurements? The on and off axis measurements show that the off-axis response does start to drop off somewhere above 1KHz. A comparison with the Kappalite 3012HO and LF might be interesting, since those were used in the previous Barefaced products and would presumably be what they are attempting to improve on with the new driver. It's a shame not many driver manufacturers include data on off-axis response - I've noticed that Faital do but I'm not aware of any others. I'm not too familiar with spectral decay plots, though it's clear enough what the axes are. I presume that the "decay" bit suggests that this shows the behaviour after a burst of test signal ends? And that the frequencies which still show some amplitude after a few milliseconds would indicate some sort of resonance which might colour the sound? Am I way off the mark with that interpretation? I don't really have a benchmark for what other drivers would look like when measured in this way though.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1494704469' post='3298060'] Three separate sound guys at three consecutive gigs all joked that they hoped my "homebrew" DI pedal wasn't going to damage their gear. Its well worth changing the aesthetics of the pedal to match the internals. [/quote] I did have an engineer complain that my DI/EQ was noisy, when I'd never found it to be so. I think it just looked noisy!

It looks like Hondo had an H-80 bass, and that would fit with the Made in Korea sticker. I can't find a picture of one though. They did use a very similar headstock shape to yours on some things. [url="http://samick.wikia.com/wiki/Hondo"]http://samick.wikia.com/wiki/Hondo[/url]

That's not a bad price for a panel from Modulus. Though I've not used their panels, I've found them to be good to deal with when buying valve amp parts. Regarding input impedance and passive basses, just how low are you considering? I could hear little difference between 1M and 10M, for instance, but when you get down to 100k or so I do hear a difference in the highs.