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Power Alley is most problematic in small venues, not large. Unless they're separated by at least 15 meters subs should usually be clustered, and wall loaded. You can't wall load a sub that's under a main that has to be in front of the band to prevent mic feedback. But to be frank your entire setup is AFU. Fifteens are for subs, not tops. Tops should only be run above 100Hz, and above 100Hz the only thing fifteens give you is poor midrange dispersion from cabs that are too big and too heavy. Then there's the matter of driver displacement and cab size. The demands of both double with each octave lowering of the pass band, so to match up with a pair of 2x15 mains you'd need at least eight 1x15 subs. It's just like an iceberg. What you can see above the water is the mains, what you can't see below the water is the subs. Of course one wouldn't expect that you'd make wholesale system changes at this point, but since you now have a pair of subs the next logical move is to get rid of the 2x15 mains in favor of a pair of 1x12 mains.
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That's not an option.
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https://mediadl.musictribe.com/media/sys_master/hdb/h4f/8849699995678.pdf
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What's the worst that could happen? (Getting ohms wrong)
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to Newfoundfreedom's topic in Amps and Cabs
You still need a crossover. EQ doesn't provide the necessary roll off slope or depth of out of pass band attenuation. -
What's the worst that could happen? (Getting ohms wrong)
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to Newfoundfreedom's topic in Amps and Cabs
A load that's too low in most cases will trigger protection circuitry that shuts the channel down, often resetting itself after the heat that caused it to shut down dissipates. If you don't have protection circuitry, rare these days, the amp could blow. You should not be using subs plus mains on the same channel . You should be using an electronic crossover and a separate amp for the subs, or one channel for the mains and one channel for the subs if the loads per channel aren't too low. -
If you like the tone of your Ampeg add another. If you don't find something else entirely.
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That capacity is thermal, not mechanical. The average cab has a mechanical capacity no more than half the thermal capacity.
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It might be OK, since Gibson has no meaningful presence in the guitar amp market. If they'd been bought out by Fender you could expect the brand to disappear.
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DIY TL606 1 x 15 - revisit, alternative plans?
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to lowrentdiscographer's topic in Amps and Cabs
In semi-defense of guitarists they need to overdrive the speakers for tone. The problem is how loud that's going to be with even a 1x12, let alone anything larger. -
DIY TL606 1 x 15 - revisit, alternative plans?
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to lowrentdiscographer's topic in Amps and Cabs
You can use too much damping in a ported cab. An inch to inch and and a half is sufficient. I mainly use open cell foam mattress topper, which works better than acoustical egg crate foam at a much lower cost. Omni 10 was replaced by the Jack 10 in my lineup twelve years ago. I feel that if you can't carry on a conversation when in a small rehearsal place it's too loud. If you ask Pete Townshend's opinion on the subject, or any subject, his usual reply will be "sorry mate, I can't hear you!" -
DIY TL606 1 x 15 - revisit, alternative plans?
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to lowrentdiscographer's topic in Amps and Cabs
Roof insulation is the wrong material, but in any event a bare cab interior doesn't brighten the sound, if anything it dulls it. Without damping sound waves reflect off the panels back to the cone, causing peaks and dips, mostly dips, in the midrange response, and if anything a boomy tone in the midbass. -
DIY TL606 1 x 15 - revisit, alternative plans?
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to lowrentdiscographer's topic in Amps and Cabs
When you get the 'driver data fails integrity check' message it's usually because many data sheets only go to two decimal places, while WinISD goes to three or more. The resulting data may be off, but not by enough to be of any consequence. With a direct radiating fifteen I prefer 100L, with 40Hz tuning, otherwise you don't take advantage of what a fifteen can do on a low B, and it takes over-excursion down low out of the equation. If you don't do low B then I'd lean towards 50-55 Hz. When designed in the 80s there was no point in going larger with the TL606 when using the recommended low Qes EVM-15L. Other aspects of the TL606 that I haven't employed since the 80s is 3/4 inch construction, cleats in the corners where they're not required, and no panel to panel bracing that is required for maximum strength with minimum weight. -
DIY TL606 1 x 15 - revisit, alternative plans?
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to lowrentdiscographer's topic in Amps and Cabs
Not necessarily. The WinISD driver data base dates to 2004. Drivers introduced after that won't be there. Even those that are there may have incorrect specs. Back in 2004 Eminence had to change their voice coil former supplier, as DuPont stepped away from the Kapton former business. As a result the specs on most of their drivers changed, some slightly, some significantly. At that same point Eminence switched to Klippel Analysis, and remeasured the entire line with it. Over the years as I've modeled with Eminence one by one I replaced all of the old entries with the most recent. As for the TL606, it was a good enough box where first generation T/S designed cabs were concerned, but was obsolete even before EV stopped making the EVM drivers it was designed for. -
That's not so much using a pick as it is having a new set of light gauge round wounds. Entwhistle got very close to that tone finger style, though you wouldn't know it after ham fisted mouth breathing producers were done. Listen to 'My Generation', one of the few tracks that managed to get past them with his real tone.
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I'd run dual mono. There's no advantage to running one side only.
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Is it worth it? From the standpoint of output, yes, because a 212 isobaric only plays as loud as a standard configuration 112. But you can't just pull one driver out of the 212 box and expect it to function optimally. You'd need to build two cabs, with the cab design compatible with the driver Thiele/Small specs.
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You can use the gain to add some edge and grit to the tone. Set it with the master volume low at first, then bring the master up. The sound with a bit of overdrive is related to the sound of drivers being pushed too hard, but it's not the same. Overdrive sounds the same no matter where the master is set. Over-excursion distortion gets worse as you turn the master volume up, disappears when you turn the master volume down.
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Seems logical, but the position of the knobs doesn't limit the output of the amp. All you can say with any certainty is that with the gain set at 4 it won't be as loud as when it's set at 6. How much power either will result in one can't say, as it doesn't account for the other half dozen or so variables. What one can say with certainty is that if you hear the drivers straining to handle the low notes you're approaching mechanical failure, so back off on the gain or volume or bass EQ or instrument output or all of the above.
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I'm afraid not. With no changes to any of the amp controls a hotter input signal will result in increased power output.
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If it distorts turn it down. The power required to do that is moot, as you have no way of knowing how much power you're pushing anyway.
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The loop is used with line level effects, whereas instrument level effects are used before the amp input. By and large if it's a stomp box it's instrument level, if it's not it's line level.
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My amp sounds terrible (Peavey Vypyr VIP2)
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to carl0s's topic in Amps and Cabs
Bass cabs are usually ported, but the ports have ducts that tune the speaker response for the low frequencies of bass. The size of the speaker has very little to do with the result, the size of the box it's enclosed in does. As for coping with a low B at anything above bedroom practice levels, you won't find anything either small or on the cheap. Even powered PA cabs loaded with fifteens aren't made to go that low, being intended to be used with subs for the lower octave or two. -
Oh, no! A swapping speaker driver thread!!!
Bill Fitzmaurice replied to Pea Turgh's topic in Amps and Cabs
Don't literally stuff the cab. You do that with sealed cabs, but not with ported. Ported cabs are lined with damping material to reduce internal reflections. Sealed cabs are stuffed to both reduce internal reflections and to lower the speaker Q. You can find out what that means and a lot more here: https://www.ht-audio.com/pages/SpeakerBasics.html -
The settings needed to get flat according to your amp is different with every amp, if it can be achieved at all. Even if the EQ controls are flat at 12:00 there's usually some voicing applied to the pre-amp that can't be removed or altered. I recall a big deal being made about flat response some years back. It pretty much went away when someone measured the response of a bunch of amps and found that flat response from bass amps was an elusive concept seldom realized. Having all the controls at 12:00 is as good a starting point as any, but there's nothing to be gained by leaving them at 12:00. If there were there would be no reason to have them at all.
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The problem there is that pretty much nothing is flat. Just as with tone this applies to every link in the chain. If you did somehow manage to actually get flat response it would be as appealing as flat beer. Skunky flat beer at that.