OutToPlayJazz

Now that looks really cool! Can you still afford to eat, though? I've seen the prices of Mesas these days!

I can't comment on the new 5, but I have one of the new 4's. They really are stunning. You still have to try a couple to get a really good one, but it's the same with anything mass produced. The quality on mine is lovely & the sound is very different to the older, heavier S1 model. I don't know how they made it so much lighter, but the instrument has really changed a lot. I gigged mine last night for the first time at a wedding & it cut through very nicely through the Sadowsky outboard preamp & sounded great. Go try an American Standard, you won't be disappointed.

"The lady is a tramp" should definitely be used with caution! "My Way" is a little depressing as well! As for conceitedness, I was once asked to do an arrangement of "Isn't she lovely" for a first dance! *BLLLEEEUUURRRGGGHHH!!"

I mentioned this in the "first bass" thread over on the general bass discussion, but I thought it'd get lost over there in such a big thread, so here goes... Back in the dark ages (mid 80's) I bought my first bass, a Columbus that looked rather like the Jackson CMG concert bass pictured below. Does anyone have any pics of Columbus basses of this era, or any info on what happened to Columbus guitars? Thanks in advance, Rich.

Jokes aside, here are the pics. A value and some offers for my colleague would be good!

[quote name='bubinga5' post='237224' date='Jul 11 2008, 12:11 PM']Hey everyone..I have been mulling over the various Sadowsky Metro range and am interested in one of the 5 strings. Does anyone have any playing experience of the UV70 5 string. As it is a short scale bass, does this effect the B string??? Or i was looking at a Modulus Jazz, but i dont know if they do a 5 string?? Anyone??[/quote] If it's a Sadowsky it'll have an excellent sounding B string. Felix Pastorius is playing one in black. Sounds lovely. Have a look on youtube.

My first was a Columbus that looked rather like this Jackson CMG Concert bass. (I'm justified using the Jackson pic as I had one of these last year - I couldn't find the Columbus pictured anywhere & no mention of the Columbus guitar company anywhere on the net!) I had it for about a year or two, then traded it in for a new Hohner Jack headless professional when I was 18. Does anyone have any pics of this breed of Columbus?

Hi guys, any idea on an approximate value for a Hopf Saturn 67? Condition is useable. Needs some tlc. Will upload some pics tonight when I get home from work after 10.30pm. Rich.

[quote]No, Music came from birds[/quote] Are you the BigBeefChief in disguise?

In essence, yes. It all grew out of the negro spirituals - Music with basic chord structures (usually chords I, IV & V), again all linked to Bach's time with simple sections and well known, predictable cadences (the endings of sections/subjects.) Ie., Perfect cadence (V-I) "We're finishing", Imperfect cadence (?-V) "We're carrying on", Plagal Cadence (IV-I) "A-Men", etc... I could go on... But I won't! And yes, a lot of the jazz standards use slightly embelished versions of these chords & structures. Have a listen to Ellington's '"Take the A Train." Loads of blues/dixie influence there!

No problem... Basically before Bach's WTC, all music was modal & quite limited harmonically. The WTC sorted it all out and set in stone all rules that make our music sound "correct" today. I definitely see what you're saying, though. All popular music whether jazz, blues, rock, etc, etc., has it's roots in the early twentieth century in terms of harmony/structure. I'd say it's definitely ragtgime/dixieland jazz. In fact, most of the dixie stuff has simple repetitive structure like popular music now, so your Grandad quite possibly has a very valid point there

[quote]but when we say stems what does it actually mean... what sort of progression does or would the music of gone through to go from say Blues to Rock... this is what confused me how can you go from one to anohter, was it the way things were played in one and were copied in another or was it the structure of the music??[/quote] Well in that case, all (and I mean ALL!) music you are likely to play definitely stems from J.S.Bach's 48 preludes & fugues (The Well Tempered Clavier.) After all, this is the set of pieces that finally laid out the harmonic rules for the diatonic system - That is until Shoenberg & Stockhausen decided to break the rules

1. Mark King inspired a whole load of us to become technically better bass players. Surely that's worth something?? 2. Yes, we know that he's a one-trick pony that only does one special thing, (the very fast quadruplet slapping) but he does it admirably well. 3. Anyone who calls any of the virtuoso players "unmusical" is severely missing the point. Is it because you're sick as the proverbial parrot that you can't do it yourself? I hear people say the same about Victor Wooten on here & he is unmistakably the most musical bass player I've ever heard. Without players like Jaco, Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten & Mark King, I'd never have been inspired to become the bass player I am today. I'm sure that goes for many others on here as well.

Hmmm... I would've said that all modern (popular) music stems from Ragtime & Blues forms. The traditional dixieland jazz was directly descended from ragtime as well.

Better pics now added...

Look out for an OLP MM22. That's the twin humbucker active version like a Sterling. They're not very expensive and really great to play with an excellent sound. Best of the budget basses. Get one before they're all gone now that Ernie Ball has pulled the licence!

The TalkBass fraternity are all salivating for the arrival of the Aguilar Tone Hammer at the moment. I've got the Sadowsky preamp/di which is a lovely pedal. Many rate it much more highly than the Sansamp, but admittedly it isn't as loaded with features.

[quote name='ARGH' post='234483' date='Jul 7 2008, 08:55 PM']My heart beats to the volume of Metal,as much as I hide,and like other stuff....my tone always needs a little dirt and distortion.[/quote] Hmmm... How's about you forming your own original metal band, then? Make sure it's the best in the West Yorkshire area! That way you can hand pick your own musicians. That's what I've done with OutToPlayJazz - I have a "bank" of the best musicians & singers I know up and down the country. And in The PHD rock trio we're all equals - All technical players at a very high standard like yourself. Rich.

[quote name='phil_the_bassist' post='235115' date='Jul 8 2008, 05:14 PM']With the whole "finger memory" business, isn't it a kinda version of reflex action? For example, I find 'I Wish' and 'Stuck In The Middle W.Y.' are pretty repetitive and formulaic, and I can order a pint and have a conversation whilst playing them, even if we go off on a bit of a jam... yet if I intently concentrate and think about every note I play I quite often stumble. It seems (imho) that once I trigger the 'I Wish' "reflex" then it seems to play itself. Does this make sense to anyone[/quote] Yes, that's just your brain replaying stored patterns. I can still play every solo cello & double bass piece I ever performed in public from the age of 11 from memory. But I can't remember for the life of me what I ate yesterday! Funny how the mind works, eh?

The key isn't how long it takes, it's actually making sure that the fingering pattern is consistant, ie., the same every time! It's only then that your mind will assimilate the pattern. Also, make sure your fingering is the most economical and efficient way of getting around the passage. Forget looking flash flying up and down the 'board, just find the easiest route with the least left hand movement. Rich.

Hi again, Hugh... Glad you found the BB614 in the end - Nice bass, huh? As for effects, I really don't use them. Just a really good quality bass & amp does for me. I've got a barely used Zoom B2 sitting unloved in my cable box. If you pay the postage, it's yours

[quote]OTPJ I'd like a copy of Thump if you have a spare[/quote] I'll see if I can get it scanned for you this week, mate!

Victor Wooten's "Amazing Grace" seems to fit the bill. Yes, it's on YouTube & you can get it on musicnotes.com for a couple of dollars for the sheet music.

Congrats, Karl! Let us know how you go on with this - This is one of the more desirable Squiers at the moment. I know a lot of people on TalkBass have bought them & rave about them as well!