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£65 for a shagged plywood P copy body? This is making all those £200 Hondos look like good value! Jon.

Looks like a home-made parts bin special to me. Don't think there were any Westone P copies - if there were, I've never seen one. And Westones tend to say "Westone" on them, that being what makes them Westones. Jon.

Not for me, either - no cheat lines for a start. Yes, these were Mats, according to all the sources - and I'd say this one looks it, maybe a bit of shared Westone Thunder DNA in the control layout & hardware? J.

Nice refin if it's not original. Never seen a bolt-neck SB600 before, price seems very fair. J.

[quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1398097638' post='2430420'] I have a 2xp Thunder II with xlr input that I could be tempted to trade for one of your goodies [/quote] Hmm - consider me interested... Any particular goody you have in mind? J.

Interesting, you hardly ever see these, and the licensed Hondo (Korean, likely) versions are way more common than the US originals. Not a through-neck, though, these are actually bolt-on with a very long heel/tenon section that (as far as I remember) the pickups are mounted onto. I have growing GAS for a 2xP bass (probably the only pup configuration I've never owned) and this isn't helping! If I was in bass-buying mode I'd be all over this, a properly rare & unusual vintage bass for what I think is a highly reasonable price, considering how uncommon they are. Jon.

[quote name='alyctes' timestamp='1398073274' post='2430031'] unlike this one: [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vox-Standard-Bass-Guitar-with-Rockbag-/261458099773?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item3ce01dfe3d"]http://www.ebay.co.u...=item3ce01dfe3d[/url] It's had a lot of stripping done to the body and headstock, and the seller doesn't mention it. it would be better with the headstock stripped entirely, IMO. [/quote] Agreed - and the body too, if the back's anything to go on, it's a nice bit of timber. Jon.

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1398010846' post='2429501'] THA Grammar Nazi's [/quote] Of corse - sory! J.

Clearly that's a stealth ad looking for new members to join the well-known Yorkshire pub covers act, Thee Grammer Nazi's. Jon.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1397997450' post='2429323'] I'm sure they'll find a ready market with the irritating hipster crowd - if ukeleles can become popular then it proves that some people really will buy any old sh*t. [/quote] Funnily that's exactly what I thought. Then I started to be concerned that I might be turning into a right miserable, bitter & judgemental old sod. Then I realised that sometimes, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Jon.

Looks pretty decent for the money - shame someone's nailed that rubbish bridge cover on, hopefully the original cast Gotoh bridge is still underneath - although I do wonder if the cover would fit over it. Might be hiding a rusty BBOT someone's bunged on. These later Roadstar 2s don't seem to be as popular as the Blazers & Roadsters they replaced, not really sure why. Top quality Fujigen bass, either way. Jon.

Satellite, Korean, 80s. This one's been defretted so the board's probably a bit of a mess. There was a fretless version but it didn't have lines. There's a thread on these here: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/162312-satellite-basses/"]http://basschat.co.u...tellite-basses/[/url] Includes an old review of this very bass, a Satellite 91. I had one and mine was pretty poor. Jon.

Does anyone understand the point of a secret reserve? I've never understood why sellers set them, or why, when asked, they won't disclose. Having bought & sold (highly successfully) on Ebay for years, I've never understood the point of this practice, & obviously never done it. From what I've observed previously, I won't be surprised if this bass doesn't even reach its mysterious - and likely eye-watering - reserve. A lovely bass but the reserve would put me off in a big way. Jon.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1397515358' post='2424810']Will YOU - set yourself up as THE person to decide what is or isn't a legit Rick and accept responsibility for BCs legal costs should JH decide he does want to sue???? [/quote] You, and you alone, have decided that a single individual would have sole responsibility for every aspect of overseeing Rick sales on BC, including fighting and financing legal ripostes to an imaginary army of legal rottweilers. This is an entirely implausible hypthothetical invention of yours, and I don't understand the relevance of answering silly questions about daft fantasy scenarios, regardless of how often I'm bludgeoned with them. Keep on asking, and you'll keep getting the same response, but if this is a game of "let's see who gets bored first", you won. Three hours ago. And if my failure to give the reply you desperately want to squeeze out of me makes you feel smug - well I'm happy to have brought a little pleasure (of a sort) into another person's life. J.

That's Mev Taylors shop in Edinburgh selling that. Serious good deal. Just checked their website, they have a Westone Thunder II (2x P pup version) for £195. Must...resist..... Jon.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1397506331' post='2424667'] I dunno if she said but your other half was going to get it off me (contact via ebay) as a present for you when you we on sabbatical, but it didn't work out for whatever reason, I think neither of us were sure on a value. [/quote] No, she never told me! I'm very touched by that. I did go through a pretty awful time back then & sometimes wonder if I'd be around now if it hadn't been for her. She is lovely. J.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1397511239' post='2424746'] I had one exactly the same as that in the early 80's - it was a total pile of sh*t. [/quote] There you go - you should have bought a Kasuga copy - they're ace. [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1397502293' post='2424592'] Nothing whatsoever - only your reluctance to say something to the effect that [i]"Yes I'm such an expert & I've got so much spare time in my life that I will monitor every single Rick or alleged Rick that is offered for sale on BC, decide on their validity - and personally finance any legal action that may arise from my offer"[/i]. After all - by wanting BC to open the door again it's what you're expecting of them. It's a straight question - are you up for it?[/quote] The problem with your straight question, Mr Big_Stu, is that what you've done is dream up an entirely hypothetical & unrealistic scenario and then attempt to back me into a corner where I'm forced to agree to some random set of fantasy preconditions you've pulled out of thin air - or perhaps from somewhere darker, damper & more whiffy. Sorry mate, not playing. I don't "want BC to open the door" - I've already expressly stated that I do not care. I have no vested interest and this is purely a hypothetical discussion because it's not going to happen anyway. On balance the current position is plainly the best/least scary for the owners & mods on BC, I'm only involved in this discussion because the ban on genuine Rick sales appears irrational, there is a simple solution to the problem of Fakers being sold, because they're easy to ID, and plenty of other places allow Rick sales and don't seem to get prosecuted by RIC. Now someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, but as far as I can tell, many pre-owned items of an infinite variety of types get re-sold secondhand all around the world, and the original manufacturers of these items sue absolutely no-one, ever, over these sales. Much like Rickenbacker International Corp has sued no-one, ever, for re-selling an original Rickenbacker bass. The more you think about this, the more downright loony the whole thing seems. If Hall's seen this thread, he must be absolutely p!ssing himself! J.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1397500254' post='2424560'] Yes, but would you be willing to be [b][i]the[/i][/b] one, because you consider it to be so easy, to carry the can IF JH carried out his threats of legal action against BC if your self-confidence is mis-placed and you - as sole responsibility - do let a rogue copy appear on here. Simple, you (or the others who want the facility but none of the responsibility) are so confident of your own knowledge that you in effect sign a blank cheque for BC to defend any action JH might bring, should you be wrong and let a bootleg Rick appear in "for sale". No-one has said he would - but he would take action in the above two scenarios, you don't think he would - you could well be wrong. Lucky you! You nearly talked yourself into a very precarious legal position there. [/quote] All I've said is that I'm confident in my ability to tell a Faker from a real one, it's not misplaced self-confidence but knowledge based on years of near-obsessive interest & study! What's so hard to accept about that? I'd invite you to go & find a single example of a Rick - or copy - where there is any real ambiguity over which it is. Trust me, it'll take you a while. Interesting you mention the JBs - they were about the least "authentic" of the vintage copies, superb instruments but really only cosmetically resembling a Rick. To a greater or lesser extent, that's true of all copies, the point being that they were/are [i]copies[/i], not counterfeits, none of the manufacturers were interested in copying every last detail & idiosyncracy of the real thing. Like I said, if you know what to look for, it's very easy indeed. This site's of interest - to me mainly because it shows various uncommon vintage copies, which is my area of interest - but is certainly helpful in clarifying what's real & what's not: [url="http://www.joeysbassnotes.com/Fakericks.htm"]http://www.joeysbass...m/Fakericks.htm[/url] J.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1397498328' post='2424531'] You're not answering the question - if it's as easy as you say & so confident that Hall is bluffing - are YOU going to be the one that carries the official legal responsibility of authenticating every "Rick" that is offered for sale on here - IF it was to happen? [/quote] I've already said I'd be happy to be involved in a vetting/authentication process. I don't know how "legal responsibility" would work in this context but I'm sufficiently confident in my knowledge of Rickenbackers & the various copies not to consider that to be a risk. And again I'll ask - why on Earth would Hall take action over the sale of a genuine used Rickenbacker? This is all rather irrelevant, I've been discussing this with a mod via PM and it ain't gonna happen, whatever anyone says. Shame in a way I suppose - Ricks might be the most Marmite of basses but they're historically important, intersting and desirable to a lot of people. I've always had GAS for an early 70s checked bound/full-width inlays/toaster/wavy Grovers 4001 in naturally darkened Fireglo - and BC is the only place I'd trust to get a decent one at a sane price, if I ever went mad enough to go for it. And no - no-one ever made a copy with this exact spec. J.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1397493382' post='2424465'] Brave words! So - are you going to volunteer to be legally liable for all losses and costs suffered by BC if JH sues? [/quote] They're not "brave words" - it's a simple fact. Hall wouldn't sue because selling a legitimate Rickenbacker is 100% legal in every way. The man might like to bluff and bluster but that doesn't make him an idiot. J.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1397487675' post='2424394'] Would it be down to the owners of the site if someone did advertise a fake bass ? I doubt it, it'd be the responsibility of the seller. [/quote] Ebay & Gumtree remove listings for Fakers because if they do not, they can be accused of facilitating the sale of counterfeit goods. The same would happen if BC allowed the sale of Fakers, which is why this part of the ban is 100% appropriate. What's not appropriate, or indeed in any way sane or logical is to extend that ban to authentic instruments, just in case a copy got listed by mistake. As I have said numerous times, the differences between copies & genuine Ricks are clear, obvious, and easily recognisable. Anyone with a good level of experience with either, or both, would be able to tell them apart, just like the good folks on RickResource can. The main differences are so fundamental that no amount of customisation or modification could change them. What's the problem everyone has with this? J.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1397478703' post='2424250'] Sometimes its worth making a stance against "injustices" but sometimes the stakes are so unimportant that its just not worth it. [/quote] Broadly speaking I'm 100% in agreement about this part, and for that reason I'm out of this thread unless I have anything factual that's relevant to contribute. It's really not that important in the grand scheme of things that have grand schemes. As you were. J.

[quote name='lemmywinks' timestamp='1397467525' post='2424071'] You ever had those moments where you seriously consider buying a lefty because it's so cheap, then have to remind yourself that you won't actually be able to play the thing? [/quote] Yes, yes I do. It would be a proper challenge to learn, wouldn't it? Luke - really wish I'd hung around long enough to buy that SG of yours! Still my dream g*it*r, one day I'll give in & blow a stupid amount of money on a mid-80s SG2000 or 3000. J.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1397474144' post='2424164'] No ones answered my question yet, how come Talkbass allows sales of Rickenbacker basses ? And how do they vet (if they even do) whether a bass is the genuine article ? [/quote] 1 - because it is perfectly legal. 2 - copies of Rickenbacker basses are all, every last one, very different to real ones and are therefore very easy to identify. I could add 3 - TB is evidently not afraid of empty, inane and groundless threats the way we plainly are. Good grief, the way I'm going on, you'd think I actually gave a sh!t! I really don't. J.

That's an RSB Deluxe II - I've got a lovely blueburst r/h one, with a badly twisted neck, had it from new in the 80s and it was my main bass for about 15 years until the twist made it unplayable. That's a crazy bargain - these are fantastic basses, and any lefty JapCrap fans here should be scrapping over that. Wonder how mine would look with a lefty neck... J.