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[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1460451164' post='3025744'] Yes! and as I posted in that thread I'm going to sue you. We could settle out of court of course. Couple of Jelly Babies suit you? (other children's sweets are available before I am accused of something) [/quote]done, shame other disputes cannot be settled so amicable

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1460450709' post='3025736'] This won't really be an issue going forward as no-one makes enough money from original music to warrant suing them... [/quote]that's true, never thought of that, I can copy other songs with impunity now

just seen the Stairway thread have I plagiarised it?

there was a news item on Radio 5 this morning about plagiarism, Led Zep are being sued over Stairway, I never realised the opening riff to In the City and Holidays in the Sun were the same, but when does inspiration become plagiarism? Paul Weller is a past master at ripping off intros but I don't know whether he's ever been sued, is it not enough just to copy a part of another song?

[quote name='gafbass02' timestamp='1460377543' post='3025094'] It's got that 'dammit I can't get loud enough' look about it [/quote]sussed!

[quote name='bassjim' timestamp='1460372519' post='3025004'] Its a long one so sit down and get comfy................. Pretty much every room = different eq for me. Also empty room at soundcheck will need something different to when there is an audience in it. Also volume of other band members and their eq in relation to where they are positioned ect ect. For example, this just gone weekend I was playing a 30th birtday party in a club that had a nice raised stage area but the rest of the main room was wooden floor and flat walls. If I boosted the lows on the amp..... (bass = passive with tone full up or just shy of full up. Pick ups from back to both to front depending on tune being played)..... with the room empty = boominess = dont boost the lows. Once the room filled with people = now safe to boost the lows cause they are soaking it up. Floor empties = more adjustment and so on. Mids and highs = change on the fly for same reasons as above. Also if the drummer gets suddenly over enthusiastic or maybe the gitard enevitably turns up, this will/could destroy a great tone because what was perfect at the previous volume has now changed. I may well turn up to compensate or wait till end of that number and wave to the offender, smile and point to the ground whilst mouthing "you are f***ing loud." and hope there is enough respect to turn it down. Or turn up and be louder. If you are standing almost on top of the amp what sounds right here is different to just a few feet away. You dont always get a few feet if its cramped for space so if someone says ..turn it up/down this could seem wrong from where you are standing so maybe go with that advise if you trust who is telling you this. All in all for most venues I havent played in before, if its a difficult room it could be tweaking as we go along. If its a known difficult venue, I know in advance its going to be a tweak night and just get over it. If its a good bass player friendly room, minimal eqing required, and the audience stays pretty much where they are...eg: packed pub it will be a good one. For my money its a case of know your gear, know your bass and know what you can expect to get out of it which also comes from experience of gigging a lot,like most weekends at least..... which may not help in the short term as this is not an easy one size fits all fix. How to use the gear effectively in all situations is as much the learning process of actually playing it I think because if you cant translate what you want to say live when ever possible no one will ever appreciate what you are putting into it. If its all going through a PA....rules have changed and now you need to........... you get the idea! Theres' soundcheck volume and then theres' mid gig volume. All band members are having their own personal issues with volume and tone along the way so sometimes its constantly evolving and sometimes its great from start to finish. EQing.........bass tone.......all a bit of a nightmare really.. All the above from personal experience over 30 years gigging. It works for me personally so if any of it helps...... [/quote]add to that a tone alters a lot as you get further away and without a sound engineer and a separate mixing desk you're relying on people you trust to advise you what you sound like, like you said a nightmare really

cheers for the imput guys, a few things to try, regarding booming, it's funny old thing, I get it worst when playing E on the A string

[quote name='SH73' timestamp='1460365249' post='3024910'] What works for you or for "we of the bass chat community" does not work for everyone. The OP does not state what venue the gig was at, carpet floor, pub furniture, stage layout, acoustics he. Therefore the guitarist in his band may have been correct with the settings. [/quote] as I stated before (in the middle of a post so easily missed) it was in a pub, in the corner of the room on a raised hard wood area, a difficult sound check with lots of hard surfaces for the sound to bounce off, then the sound altered as the room filled up

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1460357987' post='3024837'] Personally I'd cut everything under 100hz to start with. With that 30hz equaliser flat you would have had a lot of boom and as such you had to really boost your hi mids to cut through it. Try it next time; cut everything under 100hz, get a tone for the room and then gradually introduce a little bit of 60hz to taste. It's a credit to TE though. I wish most amps were this flexible! I love my Rumble, but I wish there was an extra EQ knob or two [/quote]I've found that most boom (and I hate boom) comes from around 60hz, 30 doesn't seem to have much effect at all that's why it was flat, but what you say here is more or less what I was doing, the high end boost is really down to personal taste. What I aim for is the TE mid shape sound but less extreme, that is boost around 100 to 400hz, cut between 500 and 1khz and then boost around 5khz I've got a rumble and agree with you the EQ section is poor [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1460357043' post='3024826'] The other thing to take into account (which I'm surprised no one mentioned, including me), is the venue itself. I found that every venue I played, I had a slightly different EQ setting. Always tried to go as flat as possible, but at many venues, flat sounds crap. [/quote]I mentioned earlier it was a difficult venue sound wise

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1460306683' post='3024538'] I went to see The Dammed play a couple of months ago and the volume was so excessive I was thankful I found my earplugs in my jacket pocket. The volume was such that there was no mix, just an undefined wall of noise. [/quote]that sounds like the Captain on a bad day, seriously I went to see the Damned at Rock City last year and it's the best I've ever heard them sound so I'm surprised to hear that, I sometimes wonder whether they use a PA supplied by the Venue, they should still have their own sound guy though

just thought I'd put my tupenneth in, as in bass playing just because a drummer can't play all styles of music doesn't mean he's a bad drummer, it could mean he's not interested in learning to play music he's not interested in, would you say Macca's a bad bass player because he doesn't do finger style? Our current drummer is a good lad, I once asked him if he could play quieter (we practice in a small room) his reply was "but I enjoy hitting things hard" and if you stop enjoying it you'll soon fall or out of love with playing

can't say I notice much difference between string gauges, I buy whatever is cheapest

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1460284443' post='3024300'] Interestingly, it looks like your graphic is the mirror image of the EQ curve of the BDDI (which I believe is what the Bass Drive effect emulates) - So in a way both are cancelling each other out! I appreciate in the real world it's not as simple as that, but you know... a bit of that might be going on! [/quote]I'll have to check that out, I use the bass drive effect for a bit of overdrive, it certainly adds bottom end

turned up to a gig last night and the landlord said we'd have to stop playing when the boxing came on, so half way through the second set we had to stop so they could put the commentary through the pub pa, cue a chorus of boos and a few left, fortunately it only lasted 2 rounds so we were able to finish the set, if it had gone the distance that would have been it, we were a bit miffed to start with but at least he didn't cancel the gig

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1460281879' post='3024247'] Last year we played with a couple of bands in a local music venue pub. We just played at our regular volume and the room was packed. They turned up to insane volumes and the only people watching them was us - and that was out of a bit of musicians solidarity, though I did stand behind one of the columns in said venue to alleviate the volume slightly. And this is a venue which has music every week, so the people who go there are used to live music - but they all bolted. [/quote]at our local music/pub venue they got there own in house PA and sound man in the end to stop that sort of thing

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1460282218' post='3024258'] What can are you playing through. I like the cut below 120, bit extreme maybe an there's no top end at all so wonder what the definition was like. If it works, it works. [/quote]I presume you mean cab, I use a Fender Rumble 2 x 10 and a 1 x15 TE, I boosted the 2.6k hz for definition maybe I overcut the 1.3khz a bit, I started with less bottom end cut and less top end boost, got a bit extreme by the end of the night lol, funny room we were in a corner on a hard wood raised area, tricky sound check, lot of echo but by the time the room filled up it changed a lot, when I first got the GP12 I thought who the hell needs a 12 band graphic, changed my mind now although the extremes are a waste of time, I mean 15khz on a bass amp?

did a gig last night and was told I was a bit boomy, played about with EQ on my Trace Elliot GP12, I normally cut the mids to get rid of 'boxyness' anyway I showed our guitarist the settings by the end of the night and he says "you ought to put that on basschat should give them a good laugh", so here they are. No TE mid shape, and I use a B1on pedal with just bass drive effect on it, and a Precision bass, we were told how good the sound was at the end

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1460194389' post='3023390'] The proper way to mix for any venue is to get the vocals clear and distinct to the majority of the listeners. Then add the other instruments. It's nonsense to regulate the band volume to the kit. Drummers who can't regulate their volume to appropriate levels need drum lessons. I won't play with any 'self taught' drummers anymore. [/quote]unfortunately, the supply of drummers being what they are, some of us less accomplished musicians can't be quite so picky, not if we want to carry on gigging anyway

tbh, I can't see why bands have to mic up the drum kit in pubs, we do put a bit of bass drum through the PA but that's it and the most heard comment when we come off is "you lot were bloody loud tonight, my ears are ringing" so unless the drummer is playing with knitting needles it does seem unnecessary, to me anyway

[quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1460127045' post='3022866'] A particular favourite of mine (being the guy who controls our PA) is when a punter, who's been located completely out of proper earshot of the PA, tells me that our singer needs to be turned up. That's usually where the 'phantom' slider gets a nudge - (push an unused slider up a bit, 'Is that better mate?' - usually gets a thumbs up from said punter) [/quote]I am that punter, usually asking them to turn down the bass drum

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1460109751' post='3022627'] Age-induced deafness changes one's perception, too. Everything is so much more muted and muffled these days; everybody's mumbling, it seems to me. [/quote]i know what you mean, before I switch on my hearing aids was the world really that trebley when I was young? apparently so

maybe it just sounded louder in the 'old days' because everything was so distorted

the thing I learned about it is nobody in the band is truly happy with the end result, well that's my experience after recording 2 CD's, I always remember a quote from John Lennon 'Dining with his former producer, George Martin, one night years after the band had split up, Lennon revealed that he'd like to re-record every Beatles song. Completely amazed, [url="http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=116"]Martin asked him[/url], "Even 'Strawberry Fields'?" "Especially 'Strawberry Fields,'" answered Lennon'.

just got hold of a 200watt series 6 head, alright it's heavy for a head but carrying it with one hand is no problem, used with light weight cabs bloody marvellous, combo's are way too heavy though