PaulWarning

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1460194389' post='3023390'] The proper way to mix for any venue is to get the vocals clear and distinct to the majority of the listeners. Then add the other instruments. It's nonsense to regulate the band volume to the kit. Drummers who can't regulate their volume to appropriate levels need drum lessons. I won't play with any 'self taught' drummers anymore. [/quote]unfortunately, the supply of drummers being what they are, some of us less accomplished musicians can't be quite so picky, not if we want to carry on gigging anyway

tbh, I can't see why bands have to mic up the drum kit in pubs, we do put a bit of bass drum through the PA but that's it and the most heard comment when we come off is "you lot were bloody loud tonight, my ears are ringing" so unless the drummer is playing with knitting needles it does seem unnecessary, to me anyway

[quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1460127045' post='3022866'] A particular favourite of mine (being the guy who controls our PA) is when a punter, who's been located completely out of proper earshot of the PA, tells me that our singer needs to be turned up. That's usually where the 'phantom' slider gets a nudge - (push an unused slider up a bit, 'Is that better mate?' - usually gets a thumbs up from said punter) [/quote]I am that punter, usually asking them to turn down the bass drum

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1460109751' post='3022627'] Age-induced deafness changes one's perception, too. Everything is so much more muted and muffled these days; everybody's mumbling, it seems to me. [/quote]i know what you mean, before I switch on my hearing aids was the world really that trebley when I was young? apparently so

maybe it just sounded louder in the 'old days' because everything was so distorted

the thing I learned about it is nobody in the band is truly happy with the end result, well that's my experience after recording 2 CD's, I always remember a quote from John Lennon 'Dining with his former producer, George Martin, one night years after the band had split up, Lennon revealed that he'd like to re-record every Beatles song. Completely amazed, [url="http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=116"]Martin asked him[/url], "Even 'Strawberry Fields'?" "Especially 'Strawberry Fields,'" answered Lennon'.

just got hold of a 200watt series 6 head, alright it's heavy for a head but carrying it with one hand is no problem, used with light weight cabs bloody marvellous, combo's are way too heavy though

not ideal, but if it means staying in the good books of Greene King I'd take it

this is turning into a mirror thread for this http://basschat.co.uk/topic/198205-worst-amp-you-have-owned-or-had-the-luck-to-use/page__pid__3019099__st__300#entry3019099 maybe we shouldn't be slagging off a manufacturers whole range based on one or two models

[quote name='goingdownslow' timestamp='1459460157' post='3016916'] Could have been worse, he could have said Elton John. [/quote] or even Jonathan King

my B1on settings for slight overdrive Bassdrive (everything 0 unless stated) gain 84 blend 32 level 35 mid 6 EQ (again 0 unless stated) 4.5khz -8 10khz -3 level 100 I use this all the time except for Stranglers tracks and Ace of Spades

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1459506297' post='3017173'] I'll see your out of control guitarists and saxophone players and raise you out of control drummers. I know that noise problems mean that it's not easy for them to practice between rehearsals, but IMO these simply no need to bash away at your kit while the rest of the band are trying to sort out the arrangement - especially if what you are "playing" has no relevance to the songs being rehearsed. [/quote]I feel your pain

saw a band last night doing No More Heroes, the keyboard player kept his left hand dangling by his side, sounded pretty good (apart from the bassist made no attempt at JJ's tone )

[quote name='Fitz666' timestamp='1459350446' post='3015682'] Don't forget Laney.... [/quote]I use a Laney R3 head at our rehearsal room and it's quite impressive, took me ages to find out who made it as it hasn't got Laney on it anywhere just R3 on the front and BLT industries on the back

I suppose done in a light hearted self depreciating way it could work, but not the (aren't we a wonderful bunch of musicians) way I've generally seen it done

I've got a B1on and find the bass drive setting quite smooth, don't know whether B3 has something similar

the problem with Sax players (and Harmonica players) they don't know what to do when they're not playing, so they don't shut up, giving them some vocals to do would work (if they can sing) guitar players can be cured by only having one of them, keyboard players can be cured by chopping off the fingers of their the left hand

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1459345836' post='3015630'] I get that with my Trace combo sometimes, usually when I've ended up practically stood on top of it due to limited band space. It just seems to go through you and you don't really hear how loud it properly is unless you go off with a long lead or wireless down to where the crowd will be. I always briefly check my level roughly in the middle of where I'm expecting punters to be stood come showtime. [/quote]I think that was the problem, trouble is if I can't hear myself I just don't enjoy it, gonna try boosting the 300hz range next time

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1459333097' post='3015472'] Yes we all have our own music and costumes etc. I wear a cape and fangs and come on to the monster mash throwing out plastic bats etc into the crowd... goes down a treat at the dog and duck. [/quote]right, I get it now, we've got a song where the crowd throws plastic ducks at us, that goes down well

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1459324899' post='3015375'] We all have an individual walk-on like on the darts... [/quote]can't see the point , that's not good, does someone introduce you over the PA at the same time? it has happened to us but only in a shambolic way, (by accident)

yeah if you can't hear the drums it's stupid, if you need more volume you've got to go down the mic everything up route and a full blown PA. Regarding Rumble 500 v Trace Elliot I've got both, I can use the Rumble as an extension cab for my TE head (150 watt at 8 ohms 200 at 4) if I use a single cab the Rumble is louder but if I use 2 cabs (my other one is a TE 1 x 15) the TE head draws level in the volume stakes, I can get my TE to sound like a Rumble but not the other way round because of the TE superior EQing, the Rumbles EQ section is rather limited

just found this for anybody interested in TE gear http://www.britishaudioservice.com/#!trace-manuals/c1mt9

I've had a Rumble 500 for about a year now, bought it second hand with a transferable 5 year warranty, never had any trouble, I would hazard a guess that if you get through he first few months it'll be ok any faults normally show more or less straight away,, funnily enough I take a Trace Elliot head as back up to gigs, if that TE combo was a 300watt model and ran out of steam your guitarist must have been ear bleedingly loud, I've sold one recently it weighed 35KG edit, just read that the 715 combo is rated at a 100watts, but that'll still be Trace Elliot watts I found this interesting for anybody interested in TE gear http://www.britishaudioservice.com/#!trace-manuals/c1mt9

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1459174357' post='3014095'] Sometimes it's eq more than volume. Trace Elliot gear with than horrible, inherent smily face eq may sound nice on its own, but soon gets lost in a band situation. I did 30 or so jazz gigs with a tiny Phil Jones 75 watt combo. Admittedly not huge venues, but still typical of most gigs that guys on here do, art galleries, marquees and pubs. I never had a problem with being heard, possibly because of its ultra clean sound ? [/quote]first thing I did was turn that off, it was just as bad when I switched to my Fender Rumble for the 2nd half, it's not a question of lack of volume (I only had it on 9 o clock), we do have a loud drummer though, the problem being I was loud enough FOH just that I couldn't really hear myself, very strange, I've never experienced it before (not that degree anyway)

played a gig on Saturday, sound check fine, when we started I could hardly hear myself, which should be ridiculous as I have a stack behind me, so I turned up a notch (trace elliot ) came off at half time and was told I was too loud, well you know what? I thought stuff that if I can't here myself what's the point? didn't seem to matter was a good gig