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the only story I've got about the body effecting sound is the case of J J Burnels famous green P with which he got the early Stranglers bass sound, it split when he was banging it to get feedback at a gig, he had it repaired and it was never the same again, he's since tried hundreds of P's and never found another one that got that 'sound', so presumable it was a fault in the wood that made it sound like that.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1451845597' post='2943970'] Too many pubs and bands doing music anyway...which is what keeps the price down. The market is saturated and I've always said doing away with the license was a short sighted move.. There is no premium for it... when music is so cheap and plentiful. [/quote]I think we may have had this discussion before, we'll have to agree to differ on this one

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1451843737' post='2943944'] Some pubs are too small for music... and bands should accept that and so should the pub itself. I'd say something like 50mtr2 is a minimum..for the room, not including bar...so they either shouldn't get a license...(which is a good reason for having them back, IMO) and they can't really afford bands anyway..in any sense..!! [/quote]then we wouldn't have hardly anywhere to gig, plus it's a lot more fun playing to a crowded small room than a half empty big one

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1451842091' post='2943915'] As has been said many times on this forum, a good drummer can moderate his own levels and can always play with hotrods or whatever, but in the real world the majority of bands do not have a drummer with the necessary skills to do this. So generally yes, the levels are set according to the level of acoustic drums - which is reasonable, as long as the drummer isn't a shed-builder. What I don't get are pub bands who insist on micing up the drums as if at a large club, which means the whole band is way over the top volume-wise. What the hell is that all about? [/quote]agreed, our drummer and a lot others enjoy hitting things hard, it's what they do, saw a band last night where the drummer miced up the kit in a pub, the prominent sound was a thudding bass drum, totally unnecessary

you have to set levels according to the drummer, our drummer is fairly loud (he's not miced up) then the rest of us set volumes accordingly, which means in a small pub venue we are loud, but hey it's rock and roll

I can see the logic here, I always set mine and the bands volume without ear plugs then put them in, it certainly tempting to fiddle with the eq and volume with ear plugs in. but just take them out for a second and hear the difference, and yes I have got custom ear plugs at £125

I just play along to the song, I use my computer, audacity (to slow it down in the early days) and headphones, most songs consist of 3 or 4 sections repeated, once they've stuck it doesn't take much to get them back again

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1451680661' post='2942472'] It is that, and I certainly wouldn't say the original configuration sounded bad. Mainly I just imagine it would be nice to have a bit more growl on the lower notes, and a slightly more rounded tone on the higher ones. I've never actually tried one with a reversed pickup, but I gather that Hoppus bass was very well-received at a bass bash recently. [/quote]one answer would be to use a left handed P flip it and change the strings round, or, being a lefty myself I'm sure the reverse has been done numerous times, has anybody noticed the effect, if any, it has?

never really thought about the P having the pick ups 'the wrong way round', I'm sure Leo had his reasons and it isn't something he did accidentally, seems to work ok, it is the best selling bass, in the world.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1451566165' post='2941566'] +1 Listening to isolated bass tracks is very enlightening indeed. You're right, quite often the sound of the bass alone is not very pleasant, yet it sounds glorious in the mix. It's amazing with a tiny bit of overdrive can do. A lot of 'clean bass' sounds are actually softly overdriven, if you listen to the isolated bass track... to the OP: I doubt you sounded sh*t. That guy probably just likes more overdrive than you do. I'd experiment with some overdrive perhaps at rehearsals and see what it feels like, for fun, but don't feel like there's something wrong with your clean tone. Clean works too. Just saying clean vs overdriven means little... you can sound very good in classic rock by playing clean too, it's all in the EQ. [/quote]]I hate listening to my bass tracks in isolation, good God I sound bad, better with a bit of overdrive in there, but that's just me. Slightly OP, but sort of relevant, saw a quote form the sadly departed Lemmy (may have been on here) Lemmy to the sound engineer "Can you hear that horrible noise coming out of my monitor" Sound engineer "No Lemmy", "Neither can I turn the f***er up"

yep, keeps getting timed out, yesterday was dodgy too

yeah precision truss rod adjustment, what is that all about? they supply a tool for adjusting it without loosening the neck or taking off the pickguard (at least I assume that's the idea) but it still takes chunks out of the pickguard, why not just make the slot in the pickguard bigger?

[quote name='anaxcrosswords' timestamp='1451507399' post='2941138'] Hmm. “Other peoples’ music”. I agree up to a point. Isn’t the main thing, by and large, the vocals – the majority of people wanting to be able to sing along? The niceties of what the rhythm section and other instruments are doing are lost on most punters. You can keep the overall feel (mostly) but you can also experiment. [/quote]I think this is true, our old guitarist used to say "the crowd hears what they want to hear" and unless it's a real hachet job I tended to agree with him

[quote name='anaxcrosswords' timestamp='1451505878' post='2941113'] True, but isn't that about how you play rather than what you play? Why not just stay at home and listen to the originals, or at least have a DJ instead? . [/quote]no matter how good the quality of the system and recording, nothing beats the dynamics of listening to a live band, plus, hopefully the band is putting on a visual display as well.

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1451475027' post='2940729'] When doves cry by Prince. [/quote]bit slow, well very slow, but then again don't like much of the pretentious ones output, but I've got it now, having checked it out, what a bloody awful record, but how about this version? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ORinrCH7oM[/media]

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1451473174' post='2940706'] I think Chris has nailed it - play songs the audiences want, that way you keep the bookings. However, if you`re rubbish at a song, no matter how good a song, and no matter how much punters like it, at that point don`t play it. In my old punk covers band we sooooooo wanted to do Into The Valley by The Skids, but no matter how hard we tried, we were awful at it. So we didn`t do it. [/quote]yeah my band tried that, but the guitar sound is so distinctive it soon turned into a no no, if you can't do it properly don't embarrass yourself by doing it poorly

I've just started doing Bad Moon Rising at open mic, (had to change the key so I could sing it)always goes down well, especially if you dedicate it to the people of Cumbria

[quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1451475027' post='2940729'] When doves cry by Prince. [/quote] [quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1451477519' post='2940757'] I can't even think how the bass line to that goes. [/quote]me neither, I'm not into that sort of stuff, but I bet I know a few punk bass lines that people haven't heard

don't normally plug our gigs on here, but seeing as it's been started already, if you prefer your music a bit more on the punkier side [url="https://www.facebook.com/events/885159724885450/"]https://www.facebook...85159724885450/[/url] Verbal Warning at the Greyhound in Beeston

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1451470628' post='2940662'] Those two tunes are just doubling the guitar, though. Are people recognising the bass part, or the guitar part..? [/quote] I've never considered Day Tripper to be a bass intro

he's asking what is the most recognisable bass line, not just to bass players, or even musicians, or even musical fanatics, but to everyone, so personal favourites don't really count. Stand by me must be up there, reasonable well known is the Peaches by the Stranglers, to be well known at the very least it's got to be the bass more or less on it's own, and starting the song, I know the Chain doesn't, but the in bit everyone knows it's a bass intro

[quote name='Wonky2' timestamp='1451040060' post='2937944'] Deffo.... [media]http://youtu.be/3zzwbYyvWiU[/media] [/quote]is that really a Christmas song? what do we think makes a Christmas song? a song that's a hit at Christmas or a song about Christmas? Stop the Calvery is another one, it's an anti war song that mentions Christmas once, and that's about being home for Christmas, personally I don't class it as a Christmas song but a lot of people do

anyway back to the topic, heard this on 6 Music yesterday, don't think it works very well TBH but it made me smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLGDt571BEQ

songwriting like playing an instrument can be learnt with practice and tuition, but it takes something extra to come up with something special, otherwise everybody would be able to do it, and they can't, even if they think they can, as somebody once said to me during a particularly tiresome open mic session, most singer songwriters aren't

Music is classless, it gives people from all backgrounds a common interest, lots of bands have mixed 'classes' in them, The Beatles and the Clash to name but two, what I do feel uncomfortable about is people with a privileged upbringing going on about what a miserable disadvantaged life the working classes have, what do they know?