PaulWarning

must say I can't agree, it's such a distinctive part of the song, some attempt should be made, if not don't bother at all

Bill Wyman also got screwed, he wrote the riff for Jumping Jack Flash, or so I read somewhere

not sure you should be bracketing Sid Vicious and Glen Matlock. Punk had some really good bass players (JJ Burnel, Bruce Foxton, some of the The Rezillos bass playing is exceptional, not sure who it was as they changed bass players at the time) as well as the root note merchants

it certainly did, which is a big reason why we had some many good bands in the 60's, but it was forgotten, punk reminded people of that and I don't think it's been forgotten again, probably punks lasting legacy

I think I'm being taken a bit to literally here, what I was saying is by extending the songs as they were recorded (and some of them are far too long, Hey Jude for example) they weren't/aren't adding to them, it might be fun for those playing long solo's but not for those listening IMO, bit like jam sessions, and after punk it was far less prevalent than before. Some songs are better longer, but not many that I like anyway, YMMV

Why do bands extend songs live? another thing punk put a stop too (to start with anyway) if you can't say what you want to say in 3 minutes you're saying too much

not to mention 20 minute drum solo's, God I hate drum solo's

If punk did anything at all it took music back to grass roots, it had all got too elitist and pompous, no wonder Whispering Bob Harris hated it

you'd probably get away with that, the drums are low in the mix

don't think that'll work very well, there's no point in the song were there's not something else, like drums, going off in the background

yes got to agree @Lozz196 when we're are trying to get pub gigs and they ask what sort of music we play, we have to say Punk but quickly add stuff like the Buzzcocks Undertones and Clash otherwise they get totally the wrong idea, we've had people coming up to us after gigs saying they never realised how many punk songs they knew or liked

nothing much more to say really, once glam died we were left with pretentious prog and artist who took themselves way to seriously, punk really did take us back to Rock and Roll's year zero with the Ramones, the period I liked best was pre 1980 some great simple speeded up pop songs then, after that it all got a bit too shouty shouty for me. A lot of people fell for McLaren's publicity stunt about them not being able to play, some of the bands in the early days had been around for years, Stiff Little Fingers, The Stranglers, The Jam etc, great pop songs don't need to be complicated

yep, John Otway uses something similar during his version of Crazy Horses to great effect

if you walked out because they were musically pony that's fair enough, must admit I was disappointed with them at Butlins last year, extended songs just so his Bobness could prance around, should have gone to see Sham instead, still think it's a bit much for (so called) punks to be walking out because he was winding them up, they fell for it, when I first went to punk gigs 1977 that was part of the fun

His Bobness has his faults but I thought that was brilliant, he upset the so called punks (in fact, middle aged men who think being a punk involves wearing a leather jacket having a Mohawk hair style) by insulting them and some of them didn't get it and walked out, oh the irony

must admit I'm not sure what that means but I suspect it's a fraction of what Sting receives, I read that Sting gets all the royalties from the Puff Daddy song, and I've seen an interview with Andy Summers where he's complaining about it, I would have thought Sting would have done the decent thing and handed them over, maybe his conscience only stretches to saving the Rain Forests

Royalties is a mine field because the songwriting credits are based on the lyrics and the melody line so you get situations where a guitar lick makes a song like the Police's Every breath You Take but Andy Summers gets no royalty at all and to make matters worse when Puff Daddy sampled the riff Sting got all the royalties. Andy Summers has every right to be p*ssed off I reckon

J S Bach's relatives should get in touch about their share of the royalties

we have a rule, if in doubt follow the singer because he'll just plough on regardless, unfortunately the other band weren't aware of it

just remembered a story regarding different versions of songs, we play the single version of Holiday in Cambodia but the album version ending (the extended Pol Pot bit, if you know the song) anyway our singer gets invited up to sing it with another band because they knew we did it, trouble is they played the single version ending, I stood there eyes closed waiting for the inevitable car crash at the end

saw the 'real' feelgoods (no original members, so a tribute really) a couple of years ago, they were awful

I'm afraid you have to make allowances when in a band, you'll be very lucky be in a band where nobody has got annoying habits, and lets not forget we've got them as well, always worth remembering

me and my other half, Wendy, do it at open mics as well, we got a Christmas card to Gordon and Julie , when we do it with the band we dedicate it to our singer, who is called, wait for it, John

I find it upsetting if I see a crap band, (not just playing badly but just standing there looking like they've walked off a building site with no audience interaction) I stand there thinking "How the hell do this lot get gigs, no wonder live venues are closing down" even if they're not doing a genre I enjoy you can tell if they know what they're doing

it's hard to believe some bands turn up at rehearsal to learn a new song and nobody's asked "What version are we doing and what key are we playing it in". As @dmccombe7 says if in doubt just send everybody the version you're going to do, it's not rocket science, and take it with you to rehearsals for when someone (there's usually one) 'hasn't had time' to listen to it and the singer needs to know if they can sing it in that key As regards finishing songs with a fade out, just listen to how the band do it live