EdwardHimself

[quote name='NancyJohnson' timestamp='1324139940' post='1471234'] My first gig was at a party at a mate's house. Local boy Steve Lillywhite was there and bought along Gerry Cott of the Boomtown Rats. P [/quote] We did a "gig" at my house once, 2 people came lol.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1324130073' post='1471118'] Well, if you zoom in and keep your blinkers on then I'd agree with you that's it's not a difficult issue at all. Of course you need have no regard to anyone else about the value of your songs and all the hard work you put into them but, widening the issue a little and you may understand that no one else need have any regard to the value of your songs either - which is why millions of people are quite happy to copy and share music for free, because they don't value it like you clearly do. But legislators can't afford the luxury of wearing blinkers. They have to consider the wider issues and implications if they are to avoid bad laws. As for having a 'strange set of ideas', perhaps they're just different to yours? [/quote] I can see where you're coming from, no matter how much musicians may value their work, that doesn't mean the buying public will in the same way. I don't think it's just music TBH. I think there are a lot of people out there who honestly think that everything they buy, eat, listen to, watch, etc all just appear magically out of thin air and don't appreciate what goes into making them.

[quote name='JakeBrownBass' timestamp='1324123741' post='1471001'] The computers not going to write the song for you.... [/quote] This is also assuming that songs become popular based purely on their musical merit...

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1324057256' post='1470460']You may have to push for such flexibility but it's certainly possible in many jobs these days. The biggest obstacle to such working practices are 'middle managers' who have nothing to do all day except watch over their staff. My view has always been that if someone requires that level of management then they're not the right person for the job and that if the middle-manager hasn't got anything else to do then he's just unnecessary baggage for the business to carry. [/quote] Well you'll be glad to know that many big buisinesses have been "flattening" thier business structures over the past 10 years, which means less "middle managers", greater efficiency, greater flexibility, easier communication, many job losses and greater amounts of stress and anxiety for the people who remain in their jobs. Apparently.

[quote name='guildbass' timestamp='1324049648' post='1470299'] The output waveform of the instrument, amplified yet unaltered. Just like the sound of an upright acoustic instrument is ideally amplified yet unaltered.[/quote] I disagree entirely. The body of the instrument is a big part of the character of the sound. [quote name='guildbass' timestamp='1324049648' post='1470299']If a violin player dislikes the tone of his instrument, he doesn't stick it through a pile of electronic effects... He gets another violin with a sound he prefers.... If you are not hearing the tone from your instrument you want, you should change the instrument. Every change in the signal path is a degradation. ....[/quote] And why does he change his instrument? Is it possibly because different instruments sound [i]different[/i]? There are no acoustic instruments that sound [i]ideal[/i], as you put it.

my first (and last) gig was at a youth club. We played in front of a couple of our mates and about 10 kids who are usually there on a friday night. I thought it went ok, really. That was at the end of March, 2007.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1324030411' post='1469887'] In terms of degrees and how far they would get you, however if you were calling me naive to life in general then that i'd have to disagree with was what i meant. I do understand i said i [i]may [/i]be naive. [/quote] I said I agreed with what you said, so if you feel that I am saying something about you that you disagree with, then that's because you said something about yourself that you disagreed with.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1324027501' post='1469845'] I'd like also point out the way you are disagreeing with what i've said on physics (it's certainly a viable life choice but as we have both stated you won't be making bags of riches) is surely in a similar vein to those and yourself disagreeing with what has been said on studying music? At the end of the day everyone just has to do what they want. [/quote] My point is that degrees mostly to an extent are being billed as the geese that lay the golden eggs to getting great jobs at the moment. I think this is untrue, but moreso for performing arts degrees. I think there are certainly more opportunities to get into something like music or art, without having to come from an *ahem* "academic" background. [quote] And the thing we agree on, i hope that wasn't you calling me niave and that's that [/quote] You said it, not me.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1323984323' post='1469618'] Of course, that's what I've been saying all along. [/quote] I'm glad we're on the same page then

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1323983624' post='1469607'] Only because you didn't follow the call, and because your even more of a depressing f***er than me. Sitarist has worked like f*** for what she's got, and believe me, she gets way more respect than she does money. She's the most amazing musician I've ever known and has made crowds of people weep with the beauty of what she does, I'm not kidding. [/quote] I certainly am *you're. Seriously though, my point is that I think as a skill it's more common than you might think. Someone once told me that 1/3 of people are thought to be able to reference a pitch from their head, add that to even a casual interest with music theory and you've got the ability to name notes just from hearing them. I'm sure whoever you're talking about is fantastic, but there is probably more to what she can do than simply posessing that skill. If anyone has cried because of my music, it's probably because it's so awful lol.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1323977050' post='1469495'] I only managed to get 3 pages in before it got too depressing. Note: Pardon me if this has all been covered but i couldn't bring myself to read 5 more pages if it goes the same way which trends suggested it may! Please to all those who have said such things, define a real degree, the real world, and a real job? EdwardHimSelf (sorry if i got you're username wrong, and this isn't a direct attack but just an example) You have or are studying a physics degree correct? (If not this becomes irrelevant haha!) I was told that studying physics will earn you more or less minimum wage unless you do great things, (not saying you haven't or won't this is just another example!) and that if you actually want to study physics you're more or less giving up a fancy car and a fancy house. You could always go into engineering but that's not the same thing, and your skills won't be used, and companies would rather employ someone with an Engineering degree over a physics degree anyway. (My father is an engineer with both a degree in physics and mechanical engineering and has worked for an oil company for 27 years now so this isn't all assumed etc) [/quote] I disagree with your views about physics degrees, only 8 to 10 secondary schools in the country have physics teachers who actually have physics degrees- there are just too many decent opportunities for jobs waiting for a physics graduate with a good degree. My physics teacher in school did have a physics degree, but he only had a 3rd. Not saying that a physics degree will make you rich, but it's not exactly uncomfortable, either. Don't listen to everything your Dad tells you, even if he is an engineer. Ok, so he decided to go into engineering after getting a second degree, fair enough. Doesn't really mean much though. I would very much have liked to do physics but unfortunately my A-level grades (or lack thereof) only allowed me to study engineering. Also yes you did get my username wrong, "Himself" is one word [quote] If this all seems a little naive it may be because i just am, everyone is different and everyone has different lives, oppertunities and situations. At the end of it i'm just a kid so what do i know? All this does make me not want to do anything to do with university though! [/quote] Something we can both agree on . You're definetely doing the right thing by questioning whether a degree is the right way to go for you. Remember I was saying about not listening to everything your dad says? Well that applies in this case too. He might be encouraging you to get a degree since it's what he did when he were a lad but you've got to politely remind him that it's your life and you're going to decide what to do with it. Trust me on this one- being stuck in a 2x3 room on your own miles away from home thinking to yourself "what the hell am I doing here?" is not a nice feeling, make sure that whatever you really, really want to do in your life requires the use of a degree. [quote]Sitarist has perfect pitch and can tell you the name, and actual note, of an interval on hearing it[/quote] I can do that too, doesn't make me a good professional musician though lol.

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1323959556' post='1469199'] Haven't we done this recently? I know topics get recycled a lot on BC..... [/quote] I disagree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1323959141' post='1469190'] Or maybe he's practising instead of reading this..... [/quote] That is the best career advice I could give anyone: don't waste your time on basschat lol

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1323957624' post='1469157'] Indeed, if you haven't already done so at an independent school. [/quote] Most eton graduates end up going to uni anyway, for some odd reason. They probably don't even need to but I guess it's just the "done thing" so that they can reminisce about their oxbridge education alongside the time they met a black man...

[quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1323957388' post='1469152'] Anyone seen the OP recently? Just thought I'd ask. It is his thread, after all..... [/quote] he was probably just trolling. Judging by the response to this thread, I think he's done a pretty good job.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1323954718' post='1469107'] . . . but are they the council workers or the 'remains'? [/quote] I think it's about 50/50.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1323953799' post='1469080'] A nice story but an example of history being written by the winners. What about all those musicians who did the same thing, with the same determination, with no backup plan, and sunk without trace? [/quote] you usually see them on those documentaries about council workers who have to clean up "remains" from houses and flats...

Looks fantastic mate.

"Remeber you are unique- just like everyone else". Seriously though, the reason it is more expensive is labour costs. People have this odd idea that somehow just because someone stuck a couple of bolts in a guitar in a "rich" country, then that must mean the quality will be somehow better. Yes, US employees may get paid better but at the end of the day they also have to spend more money on living then somewhere like mexico so I hardly think it is likely to make them give more of a sh*t about their job.

[quote name='blackmn90' timestamp='1323891555' post='1468476'] to the op. A good idea may be to PM Jakesbass. He's a fantastic guy and is a professional working musician. i'm sure he will offer you plenty of things to think about and it will be far more useful than reading through this any longer. [/quote] I don't think he's called jakesbass any more.

[quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1323889699' post='1468414'] What they're designed for? Making money, as Mr Thunes so rightly pointed out? Universities are obliged to award you a degree that is actually going to get you anywhere in life, they're just there to make money. Using your loaf is what will get you something out of university, and that means picking a degree that could get you somewhere. Fancy that you finish university, and lo, you did not turn out to be Anthony Jackson in disguise and your phone is not ringing with offers of gigs and work. You put yourself out there looking for a job. Sadly, the pro players got there first and so did the other thousands of people who graduated with a music degree this year. You now have to look into the real world and get a CV out there. It says 'BA Hons Music' at the top, a nice succinct summary that lets an employer throw it straight into the bin without having to worry they're overlooking someone of value. You, on the other hand, are left trying to work out how you're going to see off over £10,000 worth a debt. It's harsh, but it's true. I was lucky to be bailed out of university with a 35 year contract for work after my first year, so I never accumulated too much debt. If I were faced with the same decision again, I'd probably not go to uni this time around. I certainly wouldn't go to study something as frivolous as music. [/quote] +1 to this. Most university courses are not externally accredited and therefore the uni can basically teach you whatever the hell they want to. They want to have as many students as possible so that they can earn more money and therefore they will put claims about how fantastic your opportunites are after this degree blah blah blah. It's all a load of crap. I certainly wouldn't reccomend going to uni and wasting everyones' money for a degree like art or music, but if you must, then don't expect to get a job at the end of it. Think of it as a nice experience which will allow you to harbour loads of nice memories to get you through 5 decades of burger-flipping

looks awesome man.

It looks ok to me. Might as well give it a go, what's the worst that can happen?

I can REALLY play smoke on the water on bass. I am still pretty rubbish and clueless though.

I had a gig on tuesday, but I didn't go.