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[quote name='pete.young' post='1230784' date='May 14 2011, 10:40 AM']I'm pleased you got it sorted out. All that remains is to keep a close eye on the 'bay to see when it re-appears and make sure it's properly described.[/quote] Busy 'phrasing' my feedback.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1230677' date='May 14 2011, 08:00 AM']WOOOO HOOOO that was nice to wake up to I'm sure.[/quote] Oh yes! Odd how he got the bass back at 01:52 this morning! That's the time he closed the case and as he's insisted that he lives alone and his neighbour has been working (can't/won't dispute that one) I'm assuming that he's come back from the pub/a gig and though 'fcuk it I may as well give #19 a knock and see if he's in' because otherwise it indicates that maybe he's had the bass for some time now!

[quote name='karlfer' post='1230643' date='May 14 2011, 06:41 AM']It is a shame that there is so much deflection going on. To alienate a good number of BC'ers and possibly the legendary Overwater by simply twisting and turning instead of cutting to the basic's, is a bit mis-guided in my opinion. OK, off the fence time, growing a spine time. WH has a fantastic reputation on here and I very much doubt he would jeopardise that. Hope it works out justly for you fella. Karl.[/quote] Cheers Karl and I can finally draw a line under this... no more deflection from the seller! Message via eBay; 'Bass handed in from 19 today,they had been working,refund as promised,had a good laugh at your buddies on basschat,cheers' Now I don't care if Ron/Ronz/Big Ronz deems it fit to come back to BassChat and offer a response but I'll say here and now that there are good, decent individuals on this site who have offering moral and practical support and if you genuinely think that they are to be laughed at mate then that is a sad reflection on you. However, I think your parting shot via ebay is 'probably' as a result of the fact that you feel a bit of a t1t for what you've been playing at over the last week or so. Do I think you are a regular scammer operating on a regular basis to fleece folk... No, not really! I reckon you chanced upon an opportunity (a cheap Overwater) that you thought might turn you a quick profit and unfortunately for you it went pear-shaped and you were just playing silly beggars with the whole 'not my signature/not my address/I haven't got the bass' hoping that maybe you'd get away with keeping the bass and the money due to some technicality over the return of the bass. Unfortunately for you, in this age of communication technology, the world is getting ever smaller and the music scene connection contracts that even smaller again, hence you got brought down to earth with a bump. So once again I'd like to publicly thank those people on Basschat that have either offered me advice, practical support or who've just read this thread maybe without even passing comment and I'll leave this with (hopefully) one final thought. I have my money back now so I could be all righteous, pompous and forgiving about this whole matter but do you know what... I'm not! Despite what I've said above, I do personally think that Ron is a fcukin devious awkward tw4t and I hope that karma comes back and takes a chunk out of his backside. Later guys... Oh and is anybody keeping the BassChat score because that's another one to us.

[quote name='Shockwave' post='1230577' date='May 13 2011, 11:46 PM']Haha, Ronz is a regular on the Neil Moser forums and insulted me on another forum. Myself and a number of people know hes a bit of a prat as well. He has a pretty close relationship to Overwater I believe.[/quote] Best he not ask for a reference from the Mods then! However, a 'close relationship with Overwater'...

[quote name='tm486' post='1230509' date='May 13 2011, 10:17 PM']10.The buyer has not once claimed otherwise. He has stated that you have offered a full refund upon receiving the bass, and I truly hope that being unable to contact the person living at number 19 is the only problem.[/quote] Sooooo wish I was quicker with responses! Tom, I've no idea who you are but your last point cuts through the cr4p as I was trying to do towards the end of my previous reply... the bass sits with your neighbour; why the deflection tactics Ron? Oh and you've a deal with Chris May for a signature bass... that'll be the Chris May who commented earlier in the thread and has offered to take a look at the bass! It might pay to take him up on that offer.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1230439' date='May 13 2011, 09:15 PM']Ok peeps. The seller has been in touch with me via our local (steady on MB1 ) music forum to help him post a further statement on his behalf as he is having some undisclosed problems doing so himself.... [color="#8B0000"][i]Hi,I'm Ronz,the guy who sold the Overwater bass. Let me point out a few things. 1.I am NOT a scammer and laugh at the people on this board who are quite willing to say publically that I am! You don't know me so you're just making guesses after hearing 1 side of the story. 2. I sold the bass in good faith and it did not have the extent of cracks that are pictured. There may have been laquer cracks but nothing more than that. Those are the first pictures I have seen of them at that extent. 3. Bass was sent insured up to £500,I'm quite happy to scan and post the reciept with extra insurance. 4. At NO POINT did I say to the seller,"so what,you got it cheap". I would love for him to post where I said that. 5.If I had seen the cracks I would have told the buyer to hold the bass there as that is what is needed when a claim is to be made,he showed me nothing,I only saw it on this forum after being tipped off by friends who frequent here. 6. He seems to think by pointing out that his wife works for the police force that this will somehow scare me into refunding him before I have my bass back. An honest seller is in no way intimidated by this and was fairly pointless to mention it I thought. 7. The courier's website has indeed shown it to be delivered,but with no address ,just Aberdeen and certainly not my name or signature. 8. Which one of you on this board would refund somebody when you don't have the bass back? Be honest? 9. I have my own signature series with Overwater so i'm hardly going to be a scammer! 10. I have tried number 19 twice and no answer. I've always maintained that when I get the bass back I'll issue a refund,ask the buyer to deny that![/i][/color] I'm just passing this on (as received). Please don't shoot the messenger. [/quote] Thanks for posting this Rich and I'll check with the mods to establish if there's a reason why Ron couldn't have posted this response himself; as always I'll give the benefit of the doubt that maybe extenuating circumstances prevent him posting personally... though he posts often enough on another forum so not withstanding newbie restrictions I'm puzzled. I work all day every day with people who use the minutiae of detail to try and mask the bigger picture so you'll forgive me if I don't respond to the 10 points posed by Ron. However, I will ask a couple of basic questions which I'd appreciate being answered in an open and honest manner so that there is no ambiguity to facilitate squirming at a later date! A) Why, WHY, [size=4]WHY[/size] didn't you at ANY point ask for pictures of the damage, especially if [u]as you claim[/u] you had full insurance? Why have you wasted so much time (and continue to do so; pt 7 above) and effort via the ebay communications and the ebay resolution Centre to deflect from the fact that you knew fine well that the bass was with a neighbour (ie it was not my signature, it isn't my 'next-door neighbour' etc etc)? Actually, I could go on asking a multitude of questions but ultimately regardless of whether this was a premeditated scam or you are p*ssed off because the bass has issues and you thought passing it off would be painless and easy (hmmm is that a question for another day, why you sold a £2k bass and yet hadn't even plugged it in and established that the vol pot was shot to sh*t?), it can't be that hard to see that I returned the bass to you in good faith and it is sitting with one of your neighbours waiting for you to collect it... why the fcuk am I left waiting for a refund when all you have to do is catch your neighbour when he is in and ask for your parcel? PLEASE rather than play your silly deflection tactics just answer the last bit!

[quote name='Johnston' post='1230297' date='May 13 2011, 07:06 PM']I dunno over your way but around here if you dropped someone in the flat below you in the sh*t the chances would be you wouldn't be walking properly for a while if ever again. I sure hope 19 is the understanding kind and not some samurai wielding nut job !!![/quote] They look a nice block of flats so chances are the neighbour will just grass him up... pronto!

Now starting to think that the poor s*d in all of this is going to be the guy at #19! As UPS have the guy at #19's signature and a statement from the UPS driver that the package is with the guy at #19, it transpires that subsequent claims by either my agents or those acting for ebay or UPS may well be made against [u]him[/u]. Our friend the seller probably hasn't thought through the fact that someone somewhere will be demanding compensation for a £485 package and all fingers point to the poor bugger at #19. I REALLY hope that the seller doesn't give a fig about what his neighbours think, as the bloke who's about to get the flack for our friend Ron's actions is going to be pretty chuffin miffed. I'd personally be making sure that if I were getting the flack for this I'd be kicking Ron's door in and making sure that the neighbourhood knew what a cnut's trick he'd pulled! Of course if he's mates with chummy at #19 then they may well try and counter any claim but expecting a loss of £485 to disappear is pretty short-sighted.

[quote name='Beedster' post='1230137' date='May 13 2011, 04:51 PM']John, really sorry to hear about all this, and I'm sure you'll get it sorted, although let's hope it doesn't take the courier pursuing a prosecution against the recipient of the bass to force events. I'm not saying this as a "should have done it this way" manner, but more to help people who might have to deal with iffy ebayers in the future, but in the special instructions section that most couriers have, simply state "Deliver to named recipient at stated address only. Do not leave at any other address". At least this way, although it might take longer to get back to the seller, it gets there without any of the problems (how many times does the issue of basses left with neighbours by couriers come up FCS!). What your seller is pulling is one of the oldest scams on ebay, and one that I resolved a couple of years back by emailing the seller to whom I'd returned an amp, and in very formal language, along the lines "I will be "instructing my representative in ........ to visit the address to which the courier has delivered the item. He has instructions to speak to the signatory and if he has no satisfaction, or is unable to make contact with said person, he is to proceed with legal action for theft." Funnily enough, the seller emailed back the same day saying that the neighbour had received the item but that he had completely forgotten about it being a bit old Good luck mate C[/quote] Cheers Chris. As it happens your suggestion above may well be going one step further! I'm getting together with an old mate tomorrow who's a solicitor with his family having a chain of solicitor firms. We've just been chatting on the phone making plans for tomorrow and I couldn't help but mention this situation; as his family have branches throughout the NE of England and are now practicing in Scotland, he's going to get one of the partners in a Scottish branch (a personal friend of his) to act on my behalf should things go pear shaped with ebay... and it'll not cost me a bean (maybe a bottle of Scotch but it transpires I may get back more than my original amount due to the claim that will be pursued), I feel very humbled by the offer and I'm not daft enough to look a gift horse in the mouth. Added to which there have been some very kind words and actions going back and forth via ebay. In a way if the guy doesn't accept that he's received the bass back and refunds me by Sunday, he's in for a whole heap of sh1t whichever way you look at it and I'm not really going to be losing any sleep over him. I'm feeling confident now but not smug and I fully realise that there'll be loads of folks that get fleeced like this and don't have the support or forethought to counter such actions, it has opened my eyes to how easily the ebay system could potentially be abused.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1230068' date='May 13 2011, 03:56 PM']Maybe more of a case of why would you say you haven't been to see the neighbour. Let me guess. Because then he can say he has no Bass and keep the money . Where as he actually has both. No matter how you look at it he's being an awkward c*** .[/quote] I have to confess that he is being pedantic about the fact that I said the bass was with his '[u]next-door[/u] neighbour at #19' (this is as was described to me by the UPS), his responses have switched from overemphasising that it isn't his signature (durgh we've accepted that) to the fact he doesn't have a next door neighbour @ #19... no because he lives in a 'kin flat and #19 is directly below him! However, I'll admit that I have a sneaking suspicion that though he is still protesting that he hasn't got the bass and he's been to #19 twice, I (like you) believe that he's got the bass sitting at home and he's simply chancing the fact that there is a slim chance that ebay might favour him and not refund... win/win for him he reckons, whereas even if they refund he's lost nothing as he has the bass back any way. What he may not have considered is that in the event that he still claims not to have gotten his bass, UPS will be initiating a claim of theft by the neighbour and when the police go knocking on #19's door he's going to fess up pretty quickly that our seller has the bass back and then UPS will be prosecuting him for falsely claiming not to be in receipt of the bass! I get a refund from UPS and he gets a nice black mark against his name (in England it may be a CCJ which affects your credit rating etc but in Scotland it may be different) with a criminal prosecution. I've got to wait till Sunday evening when the 10 days are up and then I can upscale my claim but the good thing is that ebay have indicated that as I've followed guidelines, there shouldn't be a problem and as he is being a c*ck about the whole thing there is the chance that ebay will suspend his account... win/win for me!

[quote name='lettsguitars' post='1229983' date='May 13 2011, 02:45 PM']it's easy enough to raise an issue with ebay.[/quote] It certainly is BUT as with my case, the item has been returned as instructed and I've still got ongoing issues. Due to the small detail of a courier leaving it with a neighbour (and who among us would have a problem with that as it is a damn sight easier than trying to have it redelivered), we have a situation where the seller likely has the bass and is playing dumb by persistently stating "well that's not my address or my signature"! Come on let's get serious, I've told him the bass is with a neighbour @ #19, even if the neighbour is house-bound it doesn't take long for him to walk down one flight of stairs and knock on the guy's door that lives directly below him... why would you NOT go and get the bass?

First off, thanks for the support and for the efforts of Rich up in Aberdeen. I'm well aware that this guy can register and come on BC and refute what I've posted on here and if you'd care to look back you'll note that I've not edited or ameded a single one of my posts, so what I've said or claimed that he has said hasn't been altered in light of anything. As a result, I'm confident that I can 100% back up any claim or statement that I've made and supported it with documented evidence. The response that Rich posted about the guy claiming the damage must have been done in transit to me is absolute b*ll*cks! At no point from me contacting him has he asked for a picture of the damage, neither has he even mentioned claiming against the courier that he used (not sure you can when it is sent Royal Fail), don't know about anyone else but that would have been my first concern rather than (and this is a verbatim quote the first after I said the bass has cracks); [i] "Hi John,I played the bass before sending it out and it played fine,all parts of the bass were photographed in the listing. I must confess I never checked the volume pot so i do apologize for that. maybe just a quick clean will sort it. If you want to send it back for a full refund minus postage I'll be more than happy to relist it. " [/i] I then pointed out that there was no mention of cracks in the listing; [i]"No problem,if you'd looked at the pics then you'd have seen it,please send it back fully insured and packed,thanks"[/i] Does that sound like a guy who thinks that the cracks happened in transit? It's also not too late for him to claim on his fully insured delivery! We'll see what today brings but ebay seem to be still making the right noises to me that I have complied with their T&C for returning items not as described and that I'll get a refund. Oh and if Ron does get round to reading this... I'd make the effort to visit your neighbour and retrieve the bass, refund me and move on mate!

That means I'm going to 'have to' pop over to yours sometime soon... the chance to A/B the same cab design but with Neo and non-Neo in each is just too tempting, though I accept that your non-Neo SWR might be on it's last legs as well!

Red/Cherry one every time!

[quote name='BassBunny' post='1229183' date='May 12 2011, 07:10 PM']Roadtrip [/quote] Saying nowt! This is a cracker (and would be fun if it weren't for the threat that I might be £485 worse off), the bass has been delivered to his neighbour at #19 (I dispatched it to #20 as per the seller and ebay's instructions but UPS got a neighbour to accept and sign for it) and his response is this; [i]'Thanks,i live myself so no other people could have signed for it. As for leaving it with my NEXT DOOR neighbour at number 19 I can assure you i do not have a number 19 next to me so that would be impossible! I also do not know who lives at 19,my number is 21 and the bass should have been sent here. I suggest you recontact the couriers and find out why they said NEXT DOOR,when 19 is not next door,why they hadn't left a card if they said they had and why it was delivered to 19(if indeed it was) and not 21 as it should have been. I also have spoken to Ebay this morning and they agree if it is not my signature then I do not have the bass. Please don't contact me again and we can just let Ebay sort it but should you be reimbursed and I do not have the bass back I shall be pursuing matters with you though a civil court. I am more than willing to provide as many specimin signatures as required to prove that the one the courier has is not mine. Thanks'[/i] Google maps show that he may well not be exactly telling a lie due to the fact he lives in a block of flats, hence he may well not have a 'next-door' neighbour but #19 is still in the same block of chuffin flats! Now how pedantic can you get and added to which, can you see anywhere in his response any indication that he has been to see or is prepared to see if the neighbour has his bass. Oh and I'm sure that you won't have missed the fact that he is claiming to live @ #21... NOT the address given through ebay. To put this into some context, my response is below. "I've read and reread your last response and I am quite frankly staggered! Aside from your negativity and refusal to continue with communications to resolve this matter and your over simplification of stating the case that it is not your signature on the delivery scan, which is an accepted and given fact as it has been pointed out to you that it is your neighbours signature; at no point have you said that you have or would be prepared to, request the item from your neighbour at #19. This quite frankly defies belief and leaves me wondering how much more obstructive you are going to be with regards to resolving this matter. If you steadfastly refuse to assist in the resolution of this case then there is little that I can do but I do hope that you will reflect on the fact that at present I have followed ebay's direction on this matter to the letter and that I have also applied common sense and common decency." Well I'll wait and see what the next installment brings.

Latest... ebay are looking at the proof that I have dispatched the item and are making the right noises that I will be refunded after 10 days from the listing ending has passed. UPS (Interparcel) have spoken to the driver and confirmed that the item has been signed for by the next door neighbour. Now I don't know about you (and I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the seller here) but if I knew someone had signed for it, I'd have checked family/household members and then knocked on my neighbours door... especially as the tracking details that he has been supplied with (and I know he has looked at these as he has commented that it isn't 'his' name or signature) gives the Christian and surname (not just showing the signature) of the person signing! Via ebay I've politely asked that he consults with his neighbour and then refunds me before paypal (or my credit card Co.) do, at which point he gets a strike against his name from ebay. Oh and btw I now also know the name of his band, his mobile number and the names of the venues for his next gigs!

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1228285' date='May 12 2011, 12:08 AM']To my horror I saw that that this guy is also in Aberdeen, so I did a wee bit of research and it turns out that the bass was advertised in March/April on our local muso forum for £850 and described as near mint. I can't see that he would describe it like that knowing that a potential buyer would be picking it up in person. The guy that advertised it here is a pretty well known musician on the scene up here from a very busy rock covers band and somehow it doesn't quite fit with the scenario that's unfolding here. ...Does your guy go by a sort of "rock n roll" name spelled a little like a 12 year old girl might?[/quote] Lets just say that with your heads-up and a little research I've established that your Aberdeen bassist selling an Overwater in this unusual colour shares the same first name with the Aberdeen bassist who sold me an Overwater in the same unusual colour... in the same time scale! I'm not guessing that it is a coincidence but right at this minute I am giving my seller the opportunity to see if someone else in his household has maybe signed for the bass. If that isn't the case and I don't have my refund sometime soon then I'll dig a little deeper into this.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1228285' date='May 12 2011, 12:08 AM']John, is it possible that the damage did occur during transit? Ok the cracks on the rear of the headstock are visible in the ebay pics but I can't see any sign of the horrible ones that run up the fretboard etc. How well was it packed? To my horror I saw that that this guy is also in Aberdeen, so I did a wee bit of research and it turns out that the bass was advertised in March/April on our local muso forum for £850 and described as near mint. I can't see that he would describe it like that knowing that a potential buyer would be picking it up in person. The guy that advertised it here is a pretty well known musician on the scene up here from a very busy rock covers band and somehow it doesn't quite fit with the scenario that's unfolding here. I suppose it's possible that the guy you bought it off may have bought it off the guy who I think it is. Does your guy go by a sort of "rock n roll" name spelled a little like a 12 year old girl might?[/quote] Honestly I wish it had happened in transit! When I contacted the guy and initially mentioned the cracks he simply so said 'so what you got it cheap'! At no point did he ask me to describe or photograph the damage; to this day he still hasn't requested to see the pics! However, if you look at the ebay pic of the back of the headstock you can very faintly see two of the worst cracks BUT that is only with hindsight and if you know what you are looking for.

[quote name='algmusic' post='1228203' date='May 11 2011, 10:56 PM']If you made all your contact via ebay.. you're definitely gonna be fine, otherwise.. You've still got a strong case.. keep us posted[/quote] Yep everything via ebay!

[quote name='BB3000S' post='1228195' date='May 11 2011, 10:50 PM']Though no less hassle for you, ebay has got to side with you on this. Right? And the seller - what a guy...[/quote] I would LOVE to think that would be the case! As it happens my wife works for the Police force and I'm going to be looking into a criminal offence as the bass has obviously been stolen... if he doesn't have it.

[quote name='chrismuzz' post='1228157' date='May 11 2011, 10:28 PM']He's an idiot for signing for it. Now you have proof he has received it! Pain in the wobblers that's for sure but I'm confident you'll EVENTUALLY get your money back! eBay should have a system where you can claim compensation from sellers for pulling this kind of thing. I hear too many stories like this[/quote] Unfortunately it is signed for BUT it doesn't take a genius to sign in a dodgy handwriting and deny knowledge of receipt! I have proof someone, somewhere signed for it but he denies that it is him. Thanks for all the kind wishes.... I will get this c**t sorted though.

AAAAARRRGH! I've returned the bass as per ebay's request and it's hardly a surprise that despite the fact that the parcel has been signed for on return delivery... he is denying he has the item! Watch this space for what happens next!