warwickhunt

I'm going through a similar situation at the moment trying to get a 12 string sound, using a 4 string bass (splitting the signal into 2 full range and sending one through octave and chorus then into guitar combo and the other signal dry into a bass rig). I'm intrigued by those who are doing as I am and simply splitting a full range signal and sending one signal to the bass rig and the other (possibly effected) going to a guitar rig, without any issues from the guitar rig getting such a saturation of low fundamentals. Maybe it is the guitar combo I am using but as soon as I start turning up volumes above quiet house volume the guitar combo starts to fart, I'd imagine due to the full range (ie really low notes) signal going into an open backed guitar cab... not good!

[quote name='Bassmurf' timestamp='1321724941' post='1442485'] One thing I used when I had my 8 string was to get a mono jack to stereo jack adapter then whacked it into the bass jack socket then one output went to my bass rig and then the other output to a guitar amp...did have many compliments on the sound! [/quote] I'd still have the problem outlined above, in that the guitar rig would be getting the full range (ie very LOW) signal from the bass and the guitar cab that I have just isn't coping with anything below about D (technically a lot lower when you consider the lower octaves being generated by the Boss pedal)!

Yes I noticed that on youtube, makes for an easy make-over for us on stage as well!

[quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1321721852' post='1442438'] The spillage from string impact between the pickups surely negates the individual outputs. [/quote] That was my thoughts.

[quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1321719170' post='1442390'] You would probably know TP has the luxury of three outputs, 3 wireless systems and 3 rigs onstage to cover all frequencies. [/quote] re. TP's rig - I remember reading about it back in the late 70's and even back then I wondered about the thought process behind it, I know it works for him and he's had plenty time/money/opportunity to refine it BUT... He has 3 outputs (one from each pick-up) going to various rigs but no signal splitter for frequencies (at least that I am aware of); I accept that sending any one of those pups to a bass rig is fine (he sends the neck I believe), however, he sends the bridge (and possibly middle iirc) pup to a guitar rig (is it a VOX AC30). Now by my reckoning no matter the fact that it is going from the bridge pup, it is not filtering all of the bass/low notes so his guitar set-up is still getting all of the lows that the bass rig is getting! Does that make sense? In essence I could understand if he had some magic system (I say 'magic' because it can't physically be done) that the neck pup 'heard' the bass strings and the other two pups 'heard' the guitar/octave strings but that can't happen. Just my musings on TP's rig which I know still works but doesn't strictly make scientific sense.

[quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1321719170' post='1442390'] Also - your rig will need to cope with it. You would probably know TP has the luxury of three outputs, 3 wireless systems and 3 rigs onstage to cover all frequencies. I just use this lot whenever there's space - does the job nicely at low volume. [/quote] I'm discovering the limitations of my first attempt at amplification... my (dry) bass rig + (wet) guitar combo isn't working when I wind the wick up. As the 12" speaker in the guitar combo is getting the full range signal from my bass + effects (inc' the Boss Octave which is reproducing octaves 'below' what I play) it is complaining as soon as start to go past living room level. Damn! It looks like to even run this until I source a suitable 12 I'll need to split the signal and send only the highs to the effects/guitar combo. Shame as I've bypassed the guitar combo and sent the full effected signal to my TF/Aguilar and it sounds BIG!

Cheers one and all. I don't have a Akai Unibass but I have an Akai Headrush which has delay so I may try inserting that into the signal path. The Dean is tempting BUT if this does take off I may want something more authentic to TP's basses and in the meantime a big thick sound from my existing gear means that I can concentrate on the songs and harmonies (lead vocal on a couple of songs that TP does) and not on learning to cope with 12 strings. Mad as a box of frogs but good fun!

I've started a Cheap Trick tribute band and as I presently don't have a 12 string (and if the results of this experiment work, I may not need one), I'm looking at recreating the Tom Petersson 12 string sound using what I presently own or that can be acquired with a moderate outlay. Initial attempts involve me putting a 4 string into my Thunderfunk/Aguilar rig and taking a line out from there into a Boss Octave then Boss Chorus pedal then feeding that signal into the front end of my Tech 21 Trademark 60 (60w 1x12) guitar combo. I've also tried plugging into a BBE acoustic preamp and splitting the signal from that into the (dry) bass rig and (wet) guitar rig; the only benefit is that I have a floor mounted mute function so I'm not sure until I do a full blooded rehearsal on Tuesday which will likely sound best. The reason for splitting the signal (not bi-amped) is so that I can retain the punch of the fundamental bass sound but add the extra 'chime' from the octaves and chorus through an amp that will add some top end. My question is... has anyone else attempted something similar and is there an alternative that I may be overlooking that I can do with my present rig or something that I can purchase that will get me a close to a 12 string sound? Obviously I could go for a cheap 12 (I have sourced a Dean Rhapsody 12) but I'm unsure whether to go for that or hold out and see if the band works and hopefully find the real deal, say a Hamer or Waterstone TP bass. Musings of a madman!

At least the neck has to be a genuine Martin... it says so on the headstock!

I hope that bit of yellow tape is just a post production mock-up! I'd love a 750/800 but not sure I could justify the cost to exchange to get one over my 550.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1321559940' post='1440733'] does a '94 fortress count as early ? [/quote] Sorry, I had a Flashback (with 2-tek bridge) and though I liked the sound of it, I just couldn't get on with the aesthetics!

If it's an early model and the right price, I'd always have a place for another Warwick!

Forgot I even started a thread about my basses! However with a few changes of late I thought I'd look back through some pics from the last few years and update... sorry if some basses appear more than once! [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/DSCN0001.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/Collection001.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/basses004.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/basses003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/BassesOct03.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g119/warwickhunt/100_1979.jpg[/IMG] The last pic is what I presently have (+2 other basses not pictured) Oh and a 12 string when I can find one!

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1321484944' post='1439892'] Well - I could remove the mentions in the OP that says he knows the person if you like? If its not his auction and he doesn't bump or promote it, and the thread is left here for us to discuss the item should we want to, then I'd say that fits within the rules. If you want your friend to do the same for your eBay auction and the same non-bumping, non-promoting rules apply then go for it. [/quote] TBH I'm not fussed I was simply pointing out that historically the strapline on the ebay section has been brought to the attention of forum members by the 'powers that be'... what you've suggested makes a mockery of the forum rules... very strange!

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1321478973' post='1439785'] As the OP is not selling the instrument, (he's just liking us to a listing of an instrument owned by someone he knows) I've moved this to the eBay forum. I must request that the OP does NOT bump or promote this link - If you want to promote the listing, then please start a new sales thread and state an asking price as per Basschat rules. [/quote] I hate to be pedantic but it clearly states that; "This forum [the ebay section] is for the discussion of Ebay auctions. Please do not promote your own auctions. If you have something to sell, please use the For Sale forums." Technically the OP isn't promoting 'his' item but it's clearly the same thing... isn't it? If that is the case then I could get a mate to come on BC and promote any item that I list on ebay. Not that it matters to me one jot and I suppose that rules are there to be broken.

[quote name='noelk27' timestamp='1321473723' post='1439702'] Any reason why you didn't list it in the "eBay Listings" section as opposed to the "For Sale" section? [/quote] ...technically members can't promote their own listings in the eBay section, they are meant to put them on here with a price!

[quote name='warwickhunt' timestamp='1321475099' post='1439719'] Are they any good? I've no experience with that particular socket BUT plenty of experience years ago with cheap flimsy Maplins parts and I'd not have fitted one back then to any of my Warwicks... however if they are top quality then fair does! [/quote] Just noted that it is designated as Neutrik! Odd as it doesn't look like the Neutriks that I've had in the past. Oh well you live and learn.

Are they any good? I've no experience with that particular socket BUT plenty of experience years ago with cheap flimsy Maplins parts and I'd not have fitted one back then to any of my Warwicks... however if they are top quality then fair does!

[quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1321313949' post='1437843'] Ebony indeed! The tone is so, so good. Can't wait to get it recorded! [/quote] Glad you're enjoying it Chris, it was such a waste for that bass to not get out and be gigged but the weight was just too much for me... no probs for a young un like you!

[quote name='WalMan' timestamp='1321311859' post='1437805'] Suggested that to my lot....received deathly silence to that suggestion. Ah well, probably not really us anyway . Love a bit of Cheap Trick me [/quote] I've had the same reaction with EVERY covers band that I have ever been in (and that's a shedload in the last 30+ years)... hence I've started my own Cheap Trick tribute band; now there can be NO discussion as to which band's songs we should cover next!

How about a line out from your amp into a small digital power amp and you can have one amp driving each cab! It has the added bonus that it also gives you options for adding effects to one amp/cab and keeping the other dry. You retain the sound of the amp that you like... but louder.